Questions I'd Love to See a Creationist Answer

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18 Nov 2009, 12:12 am

The existence of bacteria and microorganisms is something that I really wonder about from a creationist perspective, what would have been the initial purpose of them and their roles in nature in a perfect sinless world.


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18 Nov 2009, 2:42 am

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- How can the Universe be younger than the time it takes light from other stars to reach us?

God could easily have created the light from the stars simultaneously with the stars themselves.


You can just as easily say that God created the universe and everything in it, including our memories, 2 seconds ago and we wouldn't know the difference. By Occam's Razer, the best explanation is that the light really did take that long to reach us.

My kitten is the physical manifestation of God, and he destroys and recreates the world every Thursday.


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18 Nov 2009, 3:58 am

I hate how creationism and evolution are always being booked for boxing matches. Neither precludes the other, young earth creationism aside (where it aught to be left. If you're going to pick a book to take literally, dune would be way more fun.) what this really is is atheism attacks Christianity. Next time just make that the title.

Creationism is kind of a misnomer anyways, isn't it? I mean, they don't have to come up with a creator for their creator but they call themselves creationists? Creationists don't see "creation" as a necessary part of creation?!

Ridiculous.

Stop trying to reason with zealots. You're just wasting time picking a fight. Go show everyone how life is actually a mutation of inorganic materials and don't worry about the people who can't handle it.

Then again, who am I to tell you not to play games that are fun. :)



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18 Nov 2009, 4:28 am

Noah's Ark..

Somehow Noah managed to get Kangaroos and Kolas from Australia and put them back afterwords.

But never mind that.

Noah lets the two tigers, two lions, two wolves off the Ark.

They are hungry. So bad luck for the two deer, antelope etc.

Do the wolves and lions say "we must wait a few hundred years until the numbers of deer and moose have built up?

And people actually BELIEVE this?

The Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy makes more sense.



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18 Nov 2009, 1:33 pm

Wombat wrote:
Noah's Ark..

Somehow Noah managed to get Kangaroos and Kolas from Australia and put them back afterwords.

But never mind that.

Noah lets the two tigers, two lions, two wolves off the Ark.

They are hungry. So bad luck for the two deer, antelope etc.

Do the wolves and lions say "we must wait a few hundred years until the numbers of deer and moose have built up?

And people actually BELIEVE this?

The Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy makes more sense.


Plus all the inbreeding from every pair of animals, for generations.


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18 Nov 2009, 2:28 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
Wombat wrote:
Noah's Ark..

Somehow Noah managed to get Kangaroos and Kolas from Australia and put them back afterwords.

But never mind that.

Noah lets the two tigers, two lions, two wolves off the Ark.

They are hungry. So bad luck for the two deer, antelope etc.

Do the wolves and lions say "we must wait a few hundred years until the numbers of deer and moose have built up?

And people actually BELIEVE this?

The Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy makes more sense.


Plus all the inbreeding from every pair of animals, for generations.


Of course, such an extreme version of a genetic bottle neck would cause all those animals to become extinct. Creationists don't think of that minor detail nor do they think about it with respect to humans when they think we all descended from one man and one woman (Adam and Eve). Adam and Eves children would all have been committing incest.



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18 Nov 2009, 2:36 pm

Henriksson wrote:
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- How can the Universe be younger than the time it takes light from other stars to reach us?

God could easily have created the light from the stars simultaneously with the stars themselves.


You can just as easily say that God created the universe and everything in it, including our memories, 2 seconds ago and we wouldn't know the difference. By Occam's Razer, the best explanation is that the light really did take that long to reach us.

My kitten is the physical manifestation of God, and he destroys and recreates the world every Thursday.


How would you know? If the world was created last Thursday, you weren't here to observe it. Also, all your memories from before that time didn't happen either.



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19 Nov 2009, 12:46 pm

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Wombat wrote:
Noah's Ark..

Somehow Noah managed to get Kangaroos and Kolas from Australia and put them back afterwords.

But never mind that.

Noah lets the two tigers, two lions, two wolves off the Ark.

They are hungry. So bad luck for the two deer, antelope etc.

Do the wolves and lions say "we must wait a few hundred years until the numbers of deer and moose have built up?

And people actually BELIEVE this?

The Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy makes more sense.


Are you saying that the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy arn't real!?!?!?!?!? :D

Of course people believe it, they believe it because it is what they have been brought up to believe. This makes the belief a confort zone. Personally I think if people would take the bible less as litteral truth and more as aligory then things would be better, but then what do I know?


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25 Nov 2009, 8:38 am

Creationists have to explain thier theology first- before they even think about taking on science.

Why do they take the bible even more litereally than its ancient authors did?

The Bible is full of contradiction like- the first day and night were created before the Sun was created. At one point god creates adam and eve simultaneously out of mud, at another point he creates adam first- and then fashions eve out of one of adam's ribs,... and so on.

The bible obviously wasnt meant to be taken litereally. It was meant as an allegoriical guide to living your life- not as a litereal textbook of the life sciences.

So why do creationists take it as the latter?



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25 Nov 2009, 11:04 am

showman616 wrote:

The Bible is full of contradiction like- the first day and night were created before the Sun was created. At one point god creates adam and eve simultaneously out of mud, at another point he creates adam first- and then fashions eve out of one of adam's ribs,... and so on.



In the bronze age cosmology light was consider a substance and sight came from within the eye. The notion that the eye received light rather than created it did not come about until about 1000 c.e. or about 320 in the Muslim Calendar. The Muslim scientist al Hazan postulated that light was an emination of objects that were received by the eye.

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25 Nov 2009, 12:38 pm

Actually, that's one thing Genesis 1 actually got right - the Horrendous Space Kablooie ("Let there be light!") had to precede the cooling of the Universe and the formation of stars ("and He separated the light from the darkness...").

You don't really get contradiction until Genesis 2 - chapter 1 specifies that water came before any life forms, and plants and animals came before Man, but chapter 2 specifies that Adam was created before plants and rain. After that, the Author seems to lose all track of internal continuity, not to mention issues of characterization...

("Svetz had once read a computer-produced condensation of the Bible. The condensation had ruined the plot, in Svetz' opinion." - Larry Niven, in one of the Svetz time-travel stories)


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25 Nov 2009, 3:05 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
- How can the Universe be younger than the time it takes light from other stars to reach us?


not all creationists believe that the earth is like 6000 years old. Some Christians interpret the 6 days of creation as six "days", of course there are always those who take it literally.



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25 Nov 2009, 4:49 pm

Questions I'd Love to See a Creationist Answer:

-What's the point in trying to convince others of something that cannot be explained through human argumentation?
-What if God created evolutionists just to test your humble and/or non-judgemental abilities?

I seriously see no point in duscussing which theory is true... isn't that like asking whether seeing a vase or two faces is true? Image

Creationists believe man were perfect to begin with... and are getting worse and worse along the way.

Evolutionists believe man started out as simple-celled organisms and evolved into what is is he is now, getting better (or more fit) along the way.

Isn't that like comparing being born to dying? Which is 'better', which is 'true'? Neither. Or both.



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25 Nov 2009, 6:56 pm

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Evolutionists believe man started out as simple-celled organisms and evolved into what is is he is now, getting better (or more fit) along the way.


2nd law of theromodynamics, entropy is always increasing. No external work done and things will get more and more disorderly.



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25 Nov 2009, 7:01 pm

angelicgoddess wrote:
isn't that like asking whether seeing a vase or two faces is true? Image


Neither! Its a dristan nasal spray bottle releasing a blast of vapour.


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25 Nov 2009, 10:35 pm

jc6chan wrote:
angelicgoddess wrote:
Evolutionists believe man started out as simple-celled organisms and evolved into what is is he is now, getting better (or more fit) along the way.


2nd law of theromodynamics, entropy is always increasing. No external work done and things will get more and more disorderly.


This is likely the most misused scientific statements that creationists try to use. This only applies in closed systems, Earth and all life on it are part of an open system.


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