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pearls of wisdom.

I'm not talking about Hizbullah tactics. I'm sure they use them and I'm sure they work. I'm talking about Israel's reaction. It was too far beyond anything that was warranted and it is CONTINUING despite that civilians ARE being killed. The reaction was so beyond anything expected that it makes ME suspect that Israel was just waiting for the right moment and the right excuse.

I think BOTH groups are acting like fanatic idiots. But with this last little chess move, Israel has been OUT OF LINE. And the US has also been out of line because we have done NOTHING to stop them other than Rice waving her little flag and saying "We need lasting peace-- oh, but uh, no immediate cease-fire". Noooooo... we're too good of friends with Israel for that.

And FYI, with an ideal responsible and compassionate government, I would not be a liberal in really much else other than social programs and education. However for now, since the US definitely DOESN'T have anything CLOSE to an ideal goverment, I vote Democratic. Don't call me a liberal. Call me a Voting-Democrat if you have to but mind you it's only because they seem to be the lesser of two evils.

It doesn't make a slightest bit of difference, AMERICAN SHITER.

The fact of the matter is Beirut is still going up in flames.

The Israelis are just looking for an excuse to invade. They want Lebanon. They want the entire Middle East. They want extermination or complete subordination of all Muslims in the Middle East. That is the motive, and the US back them 100%. Imperialist dogs.

Get mental help. Now.

That seems like a cheap/unnecessary statement in what's (hopefully) supposed to be a debate regarding politics....

Are all of your posts crippled by petty insults and cliched expressions?



The U.S government is not "doing nothing". It has funded the state of Israel since it's genesis, even now it continues to supply arms to the Israeli military.

yes, have you seen the protests at prestwick airport to stop US military planes flying arms to israel from refueling there?

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Can we agree, the whole world are idiots and guilty of some black-dealing or another?

RobertN, you're right in that the US government and a fair portion of its citizens are just as equally to blame. 1) Because the US is supporting Israel, and 2) because many of our US citizens actually are sympathetic to Israel (I think it's that whole Xtian-Jew connection; not to mention this terrorist propoganda spread by the Bush administration).

But do remember, Robert, that the UK is just as much to blame in a great deal of the US's dealings because Blair (he probably gets his own fair kick-back) is tight in bed with Bush and the UK does nothing to stop us. God knows I wish they would...

It's all about money and who owns what anyways. And there's no country on earth that doesn't have some bit of a sordid past in that respect. Some more than others granted.

Just be content the US can't keep going like this forever. The only thing to worry about is that we help manage to destroy the human race. And what with our largely helping to hasten Global Warming on that doesn't look like an impossible scenario.

Against most people, yeah, it would've been wrong. Against this particular poster, it's all that you can do.

For one thing, it baffles and angers me that people weren't up in arms the second that line came out of his mouth. There is nothing, nothing at all, to support any such statement, and that particular poster is known for his eagerness to glom onto anything that could be perceived as anti-Bush or anti-West.

Furthermore, how do you respond to a statement so far disconnected from reality? He might as well have claimed the sun is black, and aside from saying "use your eyes", there's nothing else you can say. And if he's so deluded that he thinks the sun is black and his eyes don't see things properly, you can't say anything else at all.

So yeah, I stand by my remark.



This, too.

What "Terrorist propaganda" has been spread?

What "Xtian-Jew connection" are you talking about?

What does anything that I quoted have to do with reality, other than that most Americans are (and should be) more sympathetic to the Israelis?

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But the sun is only 'yellow' for you because that is your perception of it. Suppose the way a person's eyes viewed colours varied as much and as often between two individuals' as does how two different mind's might perceive things. Then the sun wouldn't be "yellow" for everybody (not if the eyes didn't work the exact same way). These varying perceptions make it almost impossible for someone to be "wrong" or someone to be "right", especially in something as broad as a political debate like this one. There are way too many angles/the way people perceive different things for it to be so cut and dry as "wrong" or "right".
Here's an example for you, I could say a cold-blooded murderer is "immoral" for killing someone, and in the eyes of me and just about everyone he would be. However this doesn't make it 'factual' that he is "immoral" only factual according to what my perceptions/definition of "morals" are. Like I said, varying perceptions, attitudes, experiences etc. between different people make it almost impossible for someone to be scientifically "wrong" or "right".

I say your "get mental help now" reply is a 'cheap way out' simply because it doesn't add anything to this debate over different perception nor does it back up why you perceive his perceptions to be totally different and "incorrect" in comparison to yours. This what debating should be about.
I'm not saying your the only one who makes remarks like this when debating on this forum (as Im sure it's not the case) but I've got to say there seems to be way too much of this personal crap at this aspie/autism Community in general IMO...

yes PathoftheImmortals you'll notice there are a few people that resort to stupid insults rather than trying to actually debate the point. oddly enough it always seems to be those whose beliefs tend towards a right wing inclination. i am wondering why this might be the case...

By most peoples definition I would be considered right wing. I never use stupid insults so you may want to drop the generalisation. I'd also like to point out that most of those people who claim to be right wing know nothing about right wing politics... A right wing perspective should oppose the funding and support of Israel as it is goes against national interest to spend tax money on international issues.

Terrorist propoganda which the US spouts every time they want the citizenry to support their aims. These "terrorist alerts" they had done for awhile. All the reports of "terrorists". I'm sorry; but I've looked at the evidence which has been mounted against the Bush administration and that they perpetrated 9/11 for their own means of gaining money and continuing this oil business (ironic that Cheney AND the Bushes are in the oil business, no? Or that they're best buds and business buddies with the Bin Ladens?). For a country to attack itself-- another Pearl Harbor-- is abominable.

And the Xtian-Jew connection I'm talking about is merely the fact that Xtianity is based off Judaism and, despite our somewhat Jew-antisemitic past, we have more empathy/sympathy for Jews than for Muslims.

But please do inform me why more Americans should be sympathetic to the Israelis? I'd love to hear the logic behind it.

In this I am TAKING NOBODY'S SIDE. I think both the Israelis and the Hizbullah and like-minded groups should be taken to an island and just let them kill each other off. I mean, come on, that's what they want.

The only reason why I am having a LITTLE more empathy for the Muslims (and I'm talking about the citizens and not the Hizbullah) right now is because these last attacks were TOTALLY out of line from Israel-- and it seems everybody but the US and Israel knows this and are willing to admit it. The UN is up in arms over this whole thing! I mean, come on! A fullblown attack because of a little small-arms missile and two POWs? The only reason the Hizbullah attacked in the first place and took those 2 POWs was because of the POWs Israel had taken earlier and they were trying to get them released.

But now instead of an agreement of a ceasefire, you've got a BIG BLOODY WAR going on in which citizens are being killed left and right, with no hint of a ceasefire on the horizon.

They wanna kill each other off? FINE! But stop killing the citizens. BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH ACTING LIKE CHILDISH, WARMONGERING IDIOTS!

I find it impossible that anyone can believe that the US carried out 9/11. How in the world did they think that they would keep it a secret? When the president can't even get a BJ in the oval office without the entire world knowing about it, how does a massive conspiracy like 9/11 remain convered up? What evidence? Besides conspiracy theories spun of internet websites? Show me one major news organization who believes that the US carried out 9/11. Or, do you believe that they are all in on it too?

A "I'm sorry" is not really a convincing argument. There is no evidence, there are only random coincidences conveniently strung together by someone who needs a hobby. IF there were any evidence, every news organization on the planet would be all over it, and they would never let it go. This would be the story of the century. The fact that all this "evidence" is relegated to conspiracy websites is evidence enough that these accusations have no merit. Any REAL news story always makes its way to the evening news.

Why would Bin Laden claim responsibility for the attacks? Why wouldn't he just put out a tape saying Bush was in on it too? Wouldn't that damage the US infinitely worse than any type of other propaganda? Why would the US be trying to kill him if he was their ally? So, other countries are in on it too then (Pakistan, Afghanistan), because they are all just "faking" to be after Bin Laden also? So, this conspiracy extends to thousands of other foreigners who have also all kept their mouths shut? Exactly how does this help the oil business in the US? Whatever happens overseas, the price of oil is NOT determined by US companies. How exactly does this help them? Your accusation brings up so many impossible questions that it cannot be taking seriously.

Just shows how little you understand!

Hezbollah is to blame for that! They did this knowing Israel would retaliate!



You're just accusing the Israelis of what the Islamafascists are guilty of!!

AGAIN! get you facts straight EUROTRASH!! !

you may wish to reread my statement. i merely suggested that the stupid insults generally come from people of a right wing inclination. i was not suggesting, however, that all people with right wing beliefs resort to stupid insults. although perhaps i could have worded it better.