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This is not, in my experience true, I have invited Jehovah's Witnesses into my home and have had long and interesting debates with them. They are far less dogmatic than other denominations of Christianity, who believe that if you don't follow Christs teachings you go to hell. Of course this is my personal experience and I can't speak for other people. You'll always find a lack of empathy from people who believe theirs is the ultimate truth, but I think this is intrinsic to human nature and just as common in atheists as it is religious people.



That's true, but many do raise their children in their faith, it's not as if they don't try and influence others.



I can understand how people could find it annoying, the point I'm trying to make is that I don't think it warrants the kind of small minded hatefulness people on this forum are displaying.

This was from Wikipedia, but it can be found from other sources. It's a well known story.

Some who disagreed with the changes instituted by Rutherford left the movement and became known as the Associated Bible Students, or simply "Bible Students". In 1918 the Pastoral Bible Institute was founded and began publishing The Herald of Christ's Kingdom. By 1928, memorial attendance dropped nearly 75% from 1922, due to the previous power struggle and the failed predictions for the year 1925.[44] A luxury villa was built by Joseph Rutherford in 1929 to house the biblical "princes" who were expected to be resurrected before Armageddon (in which Rutherford lived from 1929 until his death, and after which it was sold).[45] On July 26, 1931, Rutherford presented a resolution at an assembly in Columbus, Ohio. Under the title "A New Name" he proposed that the group adopt the name "Jehovah's Witnesses" based on Isaiah 43:10-12.

There you have it1 The founder of the Jehova's witnesses scamed people out of their money!

So any organisation or body who asks for a donation is scaming (sic)?, you have to pay donations to the Woodland Trust, they have opinions on things, so by your logic they're a brainwashing cult?

Like I've mentioned previously there is currently no empashis on donation and whether there was back then is largely irrelevant, unless you consider it fair to hold a whole demographic accountable for the actions of one man. You don't have to have money to be a Jehovah's Witness and many people in my area wouldn't be able to afford to donate.

I think you should've called the police.

I respect and admire the teachings of the Jews, Hindus, Pagans, and Buddhists (I know, Buddhism isn't a religion). I admire many of these people. I am an atheist, so in a sense you argument is false. I have respect for those who respect me.

Yes, in a broad sense, I have stereotyped many of these people (especially the Evangelists-- as I don't have as much experience with JWs other than doorstep meetings) mainly because I have unfortunately met very few people who are not these "faith peddlers". I'm sure there are enough people to render my stereotype inaccurate. But also PLENTY to continue to support it.

However, you living in the UK, are perhaps not subject to as much of this spiritual bigotry coming from the evangelical crowd as we over here in the US. The Christian Right has managed to nudge its way into politics. We hear the bigotry which continues to be raised in the "name of God" right and left over here, so forgive me when I say much of my view is based out of reactional anger for what fanatics like many of the evangelists have helped to do to this country. Xtians who so often ignore the very tenets Jesus had set down.

Perhaps they're not so bad over there in the UK. But here, it's a wildfire of bigotry that has caught politics in its midst. And the greedy men up top use these people as sheep and yes-men to help vote in whatever they want to do to make them even more rich. It's a marriage between greedy politicians and the Christian Right who are swayed by stupid platforms of anti-abortion and anti-gay-marriage.

I know I'm not sounding too logical right now. This is a subject that angers me, not because they're Xtians, but because so many that I see are fanatics and are as judgmental as the Muslims they call "terrorists". They've helped to make this country as shallow and bigoted and apathetic as it is now.

Logical? No. But a verifiable and legitimate reason for my anger? YES. Don't ignore the reason for my argument simply because my emotions are involved.

I was making something of a generalisation, I have no religious denomination and equally respect the convictions of other people, provided it doesn't infringe on me personally. Unfortunatly I've observed that most other people aren't this respectful.



You raise a good point here, as religion carries very little political weight in England and the media is fairly secular. However I don't believe Jehovah's Witnesses are anything like the Evangalists and "faith peddlers" in the States, infact I'd say they are polar opposite as far as doctrine is concerned.



Your anger is justifiable to an extent because you have rationalised it. Unfortunatly most of what I've seen in this thread seems to be nothing more than unjustifiable persecution of a group that has done very little to deserve it.

To go back to the original post, why on earth would a Jehovah's Witness call a "Book of Shadows" the "word of Satan"? As far as I know, they don't even believe in Satan. I sincerely doubt any would even comprehend what a "Book Of Shadows" is.

I know of a lot of people who feel differently. They wouldn't disagree or argue with you, but nevertheless...

My door is adorned with a sign saying: No Agents, Peddlers or Solicitors.

The same rule applies to those God-damned JW's who think they can hold me hostage at my door and try to ram the God-damned Bible crap down my throat.

Years ago I lived in an apartment block where they had to be repeatedly told not to visit the premises and pester the tenants. I don't know what my landlord at the time had to do or did to keep them out but they somehow circumvented the edict and knocked on all doors in the block at least 3 times a week.

As the saying goes you can lead a horse to the trough but you can't make it drink. If I haven't made any effort to have anything to do with them, then the verdict is unanimous:NOT INTERESTED

Apparently you missed the part where he took the money, built a mansion, claimed it was for "biblical princes" and then lived in it himself. This was a scam.

Apparently you didn't bother reading the rest of my post.

The Jehovah's Witnesses stance on politics is that they don't vote, not even where it's compulsory or when a candidate may further their interests. How is the issue of political influence relevant to them?

It's not. I had skipped over and was focusing on Evangelists and the Xtian Right.

Although Joseph Rutherford can claim responsibility for the name, he was not the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses. He succeeded Charles Taze Russell who founded the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in 1884. Furthermore, many of the religion's current beliefs and structure were adopted under the subsequent president, Nathan Homer Knorr, who succeeded Rutherford in 1942 and remained until his death in 1977.

Also, regarding Bethsaida, as the mansion was called...it all makes for very good scandal until you compare it with the Vatican, don't you think? They don't tell people about all the business ventures that Banco Imbrosiano is involved in...nice little things like contraception and pornography. Of course it IS an independant state for the express purposes of taxation and immunity from persecution...

I wonder where you find those people.
I think you're just making s**t up.
I've never heard of that happening around here.

Just a tip: preceding an insulting accusation like that with a quote of what or who you're referring to is generally a good idea. Otherwise I just naturally presume you're referring to the last poster.

I do have some fun with them when they do their monthly rounds. . .When they reach my door. . .I come right out and say I'm a witch/wiccan and when they start backing up I'll say something like-"Why don't come in for a spell" by that time they're halfway down the steps. I haven't had the first one (the one who tried to barge in) show up again. That guy was a real nut job.