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30 Aug 2010, 11:59 am

The Pope is not only the Bishop of Rome, but the head of a State. So it is not unseemly for a U.S. president to pay a visit to the Pose as one head of state to another.

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30 Aug 2010, 12:11 pm

ruveyn wrote:

The Pope is not only the Bishop of Rome, but the head of a State. So it is not unseemly for a U.S. president to pay a visit to the Pose as one head of state to another.

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That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? The pope's main relevance is that he's the pope, his "head of state" status is just token.

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30 Aug 2010, 12:20 pm

skafather84 wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

The Pope is not only the Bishop of Rome, but the head of a State. So it is not unseemly for a U.S. president to pay a visit to the Pose as one head of state to another.

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That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? The pope's main relevance is that he's the pope, his "head of state" status is just token.

In the world of politics, it seems to matter. Obviously, or presidents would not continue to make such a diplomatic effort.

The other issue with Catholicism before JFK was elected was the tie to the immigrant Irish, who brought the faith with them. A bit of a class warfare thing, and a "who is the real American" thing.

JFK was back in the day Catholics were solidly Democratic because of the social policies. I miss that simplicity and consistency .... (lol, I was just a child when the split/flip happened, but it was a clear enough change for me to really notice it).

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30 Aug 2010, 1:48 pm

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I come from an area that was pretty much settled by catholics (dominicans and jesuits)....what's this anti-catholic prejudice you speak of? I

As recently as 1960 (50 years ago) many people believed that a Catholic president would take orders from the Vatican. I am happy to say this kind of nonsense is rather rare nowadays.

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You still have a very large portion of the country believing that our current President is a Muslim, and making similar claims against him for that reason.

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30 Aug 2010, 2:10 pm

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You still have a very large portion of the country believing that our current President is a Muslim, and making similar claims against him for that reason.

I was addressing the issue of anti-catholic bias, not anti Muslim bias.

It is now possible for a Roman Catholic to run for and be elected president.

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30 Aug 2010, 2:49 pm

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It is now possible for a Roman Catholic to run for and be elected president.

In theory.

Once doesn't make it in practice. It'd be like saying now that Obama has been elected it is now possible for an african american to run for and be elected president. The odds are still against it. Though, honestly, I wonder what would have happened had Powell run when everyone was pressuring him to do so. If maybe he would have faced the same scrutiny and backlash.

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01 Sep 2010, 8:54 pm

Independent is the way to go

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01 Sep 2010, 9:28 pm

I'm currently registered as a Democrat, but I'm not entirely thrilled about that. The Dems really don't do much for me, and they are cowards in the way they are handling themselves nowadays.

Socially I'm a libertarian
Economically I strongly believe in government regulation to make an equal opportunity playing field and prevent exploitation by multinational corporations
... but I believe in fiscal responsibility in the sense that you can't just tax and spend to oblivion. You can only spend what you take in, and at the same time not go too overboard in taking and spending.

I might be closer to the Greens than the Dems.

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02 Sep 2010, 12:08 am

Registered Democrat.

I just can't swallow the "Libertarian" idea of Privatization that seems so common among the modern Republican party, and find the Republican party's views on gay marriage, abortion and stem cell research to be more than a little disagreeable.

There isn't really any third party that shares my views and I don't see the use in being a registered Independent and unable to vote for the major candidates in the Primaries, so I guess that makes me a Democrat at heart.

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02 Sep 2010, 12:29 am

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I don't see the use in being a registered Independent

Could someone please explain what that is all about. (for us ignorant foreigners)
Why would anyone need to register as independent?

Do you have to play to register?

Are people allowed to register for the other side so that they can vote for the worst candidate?

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02 Sep 2010, 12:47 am

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I don't see the use in being a registered Independent

Independent is a catch-all category for those who don't want to register for a specific party but still want to vote.

(unless I'm wrong in my understanding)

It's separate from any party affiliation including the third party listings. To be independent is not the same as to be registered green or libertarian or socialist or communist.

For me, my registering independent was a symbolic gesture of the frustration I feel at not only the two major parties but also the process for primaries (which are elections within the major parties to determine candidates for various runnings). It was also to disassociate myself as far as possible from all parties involved within the government because I've lost faith in any of them to be able to work toward an overall consensus of accuracy and instead all hold dogmatic beliefs which inhibit their ability to make judgments on too many issues for me to be comfortable with. I'll still vote for the lesser of 5 or 8 evils...but I won't be a member to their party. As it is, I still have republican phone-spammers harassing me* from the last time when I was registered republican. I want to just tell them I had an abortion and won't support them again until they're willing to let me and my wife make our decisions for ourselves.

*Thankfully they're consistent in calling from a 202 area code so I know to avoid them.

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02 Sep 2010, 2:49 am

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I don't see the use in being a registered Independent

In the Commonwealth of Massachussetts one who declares himself an Independent can vote in the primary election for candidates of either major party (not both though). As for voting in the general election, party affiliation makes no difference. If one has met the age and residence requirements and is registered as a properly qualified voter he may vote freely in the general election. On the other hand, one who is a registered Democrat cannot vote in the primary elections on a Republican ballot; and one who is a registered Republican cannot vote in the primary elections on a Democrat ballot. But a registered Independent can vote in the primary election on the ballot of his choice.

There is no Independent Party in Massachessetts. Being an Independent means one is not affiliated with any major party. For many in Massachussetts, being Independent is a matter of pride insofar as one declares himself not in the thrall of any political party.

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02 Sep 2010, 3:59 am

ruveyn wrote:

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I don't see the use in being a registered Independent

It doesn't sound right to me. Couldn't a party organise mass voting by "independents" in the other party's primaries to try to defeat a good candidate?

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02 Sep 2010, 5:06 am

BigK wrote:

It doesn't sound right to me. Couldn't a party organise mass voting by "independents" in the other party's primaries to try to defeat a good candidate?

THAT is the main problem i see with wide open or cajun-style primaries in which anybody can vote for anybody.

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02 Sep 2010, 9:18 am

auntblabby wrote:

BigK wrote:

It doesn't sound right to me. Couldn't a party organise mass voting by "independents" in the other party's primaries to try to defeat a good candidate?

THAT is the main problem i see with wide open or cajun-style primaries in which anybody can vote for anybody.

Interesting name considering Independents can't vote in any primaries here...

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02 Sep 2010, 11:24 pm

skafather84 wrote:

Interesting name considering Independents can't vote in any primaries here...

when washington state had its big internal argument over wide-open primaries or party-only primaries, the name the news media gave the former type was "cajun-style" primaries. don't ask me why because i just don't know. i was under the impression that in louisiana a republican primary voter could vote for a democrat [HIGHLY unlikely!] and vice-versa.

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