Why was Mary needed for the birth of Christ at all?

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07 Sep 2010, 10:42 am

According to the story, an invisible space visitor from heaven - aka the invisible Holy Ghost/invisible God the Father/whoever fathered Jesus Christ.

If an invisible Holy Ghost/invisible God the Father is the father, why didn't God just allow Jesus to appear instantly in the baby crib at Bethlehem? Why was Mary needed at all to carry Jesus for nine months?

If an invisible Father is the Dad, why not an invisible mother too?

That could explain the actual results (my view) more clearly than saying Jesus is the product of an invisible Holy Ghost/invisible God the Father from somewhere and a very visible mother, Mary from Nazareth.

Apparently God had a lot of experience creating people out of nothing but clay and a rib (Adam and Eve) so God could easily have bypassed Mary and created Jesus Christ instantly from nothing, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodeck or a variation of the Holodeck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abracadabra

It's also likely carpenter Joseph would have felt better about what happened if Mary was not pregnant due to an invisible, unnamed Holy Ghost/invisible God from outer space too.

Both Mary and Joseph could have fulfilled their roles as adopted parents for Jesus Christ.

Mary wasn't really needed for the birth of Christ at all?

If an invisible Dad could do it, so could an invisible Mom too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hocus_Pocus_(magic)

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07 Sep 2010, 10:51 am

If people spent less time contemplating about what happens after you die and trying to improve that and instead spent more time contemplating about the life they have now and improving the world they live in can you concieve the world we would live in?

Just a thought......



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07 Sep 2010, 11:07 am

pgd wrote:
According to the story, an invisible space visitor from heaven - aka the invisible Holy Ghost/invisible God the Father/whoever fathered Jesus Christ.

If an invisible Holy Ghost/invisible God the Father is the father, why didn't God just allow Jesus to appear instantly in the baby crib at Bethlehem? Why was Mary needed at all to carry Jesus for nine months?

If an invisible Father is the Dad, why not an invisible mother too?

That could explain the actual results (my view) more clearly than saying Jesus is the product of an invisible Holy Ghost/invisible God the Father from somewhere and a very visible mother, Mary from Nazareth.

Apparently God had a lot of experience creating people out of nothing but clay and a rib (Adam and Eve) so God could easily have bypassed Mary and created Jesus Christ instantly from nothing, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodeck or a variation of the Holodeck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abracadabra

It's also likely carpenter Joseph would have felt better about what happened if Mary was not pregnant due to an invisible, unnamed Holy Ghost/invisible God from outer space too.

Both Mary and Joseph could have fulfilled their roles as adopted parents for Jesus Christ.

Mary wasn't really needed for the birth of Christ at all?

If an invisible Dad could do it, so could an invisible Mom too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hocus_Pocus_(magic)

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God tried that invisible father and mother business and that gave birth to the holy ghost which was also invisible. It would have been awkward to try to nail an invisible Christ on the cross because all anybody would see would be the nails. Also an invisible Christ would have scared people and that would upset the applecart.
Of course there were other experiments such as the holy pussycat, the holy goldfish, the holy gorilla (very impressive but not appropriate) and a concoction that finally became the abominable snowman. But the Christ we know seemed the simplest solution. Everybody wondered why Christ had eyelets in his palms and feet but in the end the nails went in easily and painlessly and the mystery was solved. Mary, it seemed, was quite agreeable to spend a passionate night with God.



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07 Sep 2010, 3:36 pm

The idea was to make Isiah 7:14 come true.

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07 Sep 2010, 4:06 pm

Without a human mother He would not have been sufficiently human.



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07 Sep 2010, 4:07 pm

Because they needed a surrogate mother? :?



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09 Sep 2010, 9:13 pm

Holy Toledo topic

The emperor has no clothes, pgd. Neither does God, who is also noncorporeal, so his rep on earth had to have skin and bone at least, and grow inside that which also had skin and bone. Barring this, Sand's explanation is the best yet. :P


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09 Sep 2010, 11:13 pm

How are we supposed to make "yo momma" jokes to jesus if he doesnt have one?

Truly god is wise.


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09 Sep 2010, 11:58 pm

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How are we supposed to make "yo momma" jokes to jesus if he doesnt have one?

Truly god is wise.


Not to worry. Jesus had no sense of humor. Not one Jewish joke in all the New Testament.



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10 Sep 2010, 12:00 am

Sand wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
How are we supposed to make "yo momma" jokes to jesus if he doesnt have one?

Truly god is wise.


Not to worry. Jesus had no sense of humor. Not one Jewish joke in all the New Testament.


What if the NT was a Jewish joke on the rest of the world? I note, significantly, though they produced the work, they take it serious.


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10 Sep 2010, 8:57 pm

Sand wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
How are we supposed to make "yo momma" jokes to jesus if he doesnt have one?

Truly god is wise.


Not to worry. Jesus had no sense of humor. Not one Jewish joke in all the New Testament.


I beg to differ. If you read a book on George Washington, Alexander the great, or any other famous people, would you say the same thing about them if their was no text in the book that said or pointed out that they had a sense of humor?


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10 Sep 2010, 9:35 pm

PHISHA51 wrote:
Sand wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
How are we supposed to make "yo momma" jokes to jesus if he doesnt have one?

Truly god is wise.


Not to worry. Jesus had no sense of humor. Not one Jewish joke in all the New Testament.


I beg to differ. If you read a book on George Washington, Alexander the great, or any other famous people, would you say the same thing about them if their was no text in the book that said or pointed out that they had a sense of humor?


Sorry, begging won't help. Whatever the status of anybody else, Jesus would have flopped as a stand-up comic in a night club. He might have had some following as a magician if he managed to turn water into whiskey but bartenders do that as a matter of routine.



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10 Sep 2010, 11:26 pm

PHISHA51 wrote:
I beg to differ. If you read a book on George Washington, Alexander the great, or any other famous people, would you say the same thing about them if their was no text in the book that said or pointed out that they had a sense of humor?


He can be your savior without being perfect at everything. There was a point to him being mortal. Medieval statuary aside, there is nothing that suggests he was remarkably handsome for instance. On the contrary, the Jewush authorities had to have him identified. This is inconsistent with him being exceptionally featured.

This is a problem with some of you people. You cant imagine his poop stunk just like everyone elses.


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11 Sep 2010, 7:11 am

Fuzzy wrote:

He can be your savior without being perfect at everything. There was a point to him being mortal. Medieval statuary aside, there is nothing that suggests he was remarkably handsome for instance. On the contrary, the Jewush authorities had to have him identified. This is inconsistent with him being exceptionally featured.

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Aside from the Romans in town, everyone in the area looked Jewish. Jesus looked like a gentile with his pretty turned up nose, his even white teeth and the dimples in his cheek.

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11 Sep 2010, 8:07 am

ruveyn wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:

He can be your savior without being perfect at everything. There was a point to him being mortal. Medieval statuary aside, there is nothing that suggests he was remarkably handsome for instance. On the contrary, the Jewush authorities had to have him identified. This is inconsistent with him being exceptionally featured.

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Aside from the Romans in town, everyone in the area looked Jewish. Jesus looked like a gentile with his pretty turned up nose, his even white teeth and the dimples in his cheek.

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I've heard the Romans had big noses too.



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11 Sep 2010, 8:12 am

Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:

He can be your savior without being perfect at everything. There was a point to him being mortal. Medieval statuary aside, there is nothing that suggests he was remarkably handsome for instance. On the contrary, the Jewush authorities had to have him identified. This is inconsistent with him being exceptionally featured.

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Aside from the Romans in town, everyone in the area looked Jewish. Jesus looked like a gentile with his pretty turned up nose, his even white teeth and the dimples in his cheek.

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I've heard the Romans had big noses too.


But Roman big noses have a different shape from Jewish big noses. Jesus was a thing of beauty and a goy forever. Look at any Renaissance painting of Jesus. He does not look the least bit Jewish.

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