Hypothesis: Only the elite class should breed.

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23 Sep 2010, 7:45 pm

Meadow wrote:

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Class is no guarantee. A test should be passed and license required. There is no worse hell than being raised by imbeciles and morons.

Such licences would be given free to those on welfare, exacerbating the issue.

How do you figure?

They get everything else paid. :lol:

Sorry, I can't follow your logic.

How about now?

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23 Sep 2010, 7:46 pm

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The working class would still be living in caves without the intellectual elite.

They certainly wouldn't have online forums to pretend like their opinion matters, that much is for sure.

So the elite would suddenly start programming their own applications? Rather than writing the specs? They would suddenly start planting and harvesting? They would suddenly start hauling their own trash? They would suddenly be willing to do the work and perform the labor of every infrastructure job that is now below their station?

Robots!

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24 Sep 2010, 1:26 am

elite make more money when there are more poor, why would they get rid of their largest cash crop?

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24 Sep 2010, 2:39 am

Asmodeus wrote:

rchamberlin wrote:

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The working class would still be living in caves without the intellectual elite.

They certainly wouldn't have online forums to pretend like their opinion matters, that much is for sure.

Robots!

No, no. They would eventually turn on their masters.

The poor just quit to be replaced by someone poorer.

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24 Sep 2010, 3:15 am

You can already see in some sectors of society, the Elite breeding with the Elite, in the Royal Family for example.

If an Elite Utopia was designed as outlined by the OP, this results in is eventually a lot of inbreeding as people who are Elite only want to breed with someone else descended from an Elite line. After a certain period of time, members of the Elite will have two heads, 12 toes, and 98 chromosomes, due to lack of genetic diversity.

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24 Sep 2010, 5:30 am

Any close look at the so-called elites will reveal a rather large quantity of total idiots and rather nasty ones at that. Being poor doesn't mean you're dumb or untalented. Neither one guarantees genius or even competence.

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24 Sep 2010, 5:53 am

Sand wrote:

It would be nice to construct an egalitarian society that would not go to dry rot in short order.

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24 Sep 2010, 6:56 am

Smart people are less likely to breed these days, especially educated "career women"

Yet useless ret*ds start having children in high school and manage to have half a dozen by different fathers by the time they are in their mid twenties.

Look at "Octo-Mom" in California. She has had like a dozen kids or more.
For all I know she is still a virgin because all her kids were conceived by invitro fertilization at public expense.

Who is paying for those kids? We are with our taxes.
That is why we can't afford to have kids of our own.

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24 Sep 2010, 7:07 am

insincere wrote:

elite make more money when there are more poor, why would they get rid of their largest cash crop?

So bascially, people on here who work, including your families, are the new slaves. Slaves to be milked dry and discarded when no longer useful.

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24 Sep 2010, 7:12 am

Wombat wrote:

It is quite usual for arrogant people with power and wealth to assume society is their personal utility and the bulk of the population are relatively worthless. People are not so easily evaluated as to their performances and basic worth and utility and potential. Snot nosed as*holes are among the more reprehensible and disgusting members of society.

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24 Sep 2010, 8:30 am

I don't know about the "elite" class breeding. But I've often wondered this:

Why, oh WHY is it that only SMART people use contraceptives???

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24 Sep 2010, 9:00 am

AngelRho wrote:

I don't know about the "elite" class breeding. But I've often wondered this:

Why, oh WHY is it that only SMART people use contraceptives???

Is that how you designate smart people? There are then a huge proportion of them. Contraceptives are not a rare sales item.

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24 Sep 2010, 10:40 am

ruveyn wrote:

In the elite are not only capitalists, but engineers, scientists and original thinkers. The working class would still be living in caves without the intellectual elite.

It has just occurred to me how much I detest the Proles.

ruveyn

I'd like to see you , let alone the numerous scientists, engineers, and other original thinkers, live without the toil done by the working class. When the garbage men leave, the firefighters stop fighting fires, and sewage workers let the the waste system go to hell, maybe you'll introspect a little and realize how much your affluent existence depends on them.

Then again, I've never taken people with beliefs as incoherent as yours ("Chicago politics' backroom deals is mean and my conscience detests it!" yet "MIGHT MAKES RIGHT - we were justified in mass murdering the Native Americans") as being capable of actually thinking critically.

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24 Sep 2010, 11:45 am

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All others must be sterilized and eventually eliminated, so that the only genetic line left is that of the elite.

This idea seems to have been the main thrust of the ruling class's attempts to mold world society to their liking. Take for example the following article:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gatto/gatto-uhae-2.html

You can see that the main goal of the public school system is to sift worthy breeders from those who should not breed. Also, I once read that the Nazis took the death camp system from an American proposal circa 1900 to kill most of the population, leaving behind only the elite.

Now I personally am wholeheartedly for this. I think that if most of humanity was eliminated, leaving behind only the ruling classes, that it wouldn't necessarily be a utopia, but that a much smaller genetic pool, tilted towards those of superior intellect and money making ability, would result in a better world. The Nazis were trying to achieve this, and the official rejection of Nazi genetic beliefs in modern America is problematic in that those beliefs were mostly correct. If autistics are not allowed to breed and are wiped out instead, what happens then? If everybody is killed off except the ruling classes, wouldn't it be a better, albeit smaller and more intimate, world? The problem then becomes how to kill 7 billion people in an efficient manner, and how to dispose of their bodies.

But if the ruling elite killed off everyone else then they would no longer be the ruling elite. Who would they be ruling?

Eugenics was tried once but since hitler it was swept under the rug. Plus eugenics doesn't take into account nurture and life experience. Also it went on the assumption that only "good" genes could produce "good" genes. And there was no description of what was "good". It was a movement that grew out of ignorance and was extremely premature considering that proper eugenics would require a complete and solid understanding of our genetic make-up. The movement started before DNA had even been discovered.

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24 Sep 2010, 11:48 am

AngelRho wrote:

I don't know about the "elite" class breeding. But I've often wondered this:

Why, oh WHY is it that only SMART people use contraceptives???

Because the stupid pope keeps the third world in the stone age by telling them it is a sin. I bet the pope has never used contraceptives. :-)

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24 Sep 2010, 2:51 pm

It amazes and bewilders me that a thread discussing the merits of eugenics could appear on the same site as and just a few sections down from threads in which the resident autistics and Aspies express concern over the possibility of practices like the en masse abortion of autistic fetuses because they're autistic. Does no one else see the irony and hypocrisy in people on the autistic spectrum proposing the elimination of peoples deemed "inferior" by some arbitrary metric? Or has it just not occurred to some of you that, regardless of how intelligent we may be, we are outnumbered by people who see us as genetic anathema due to our social inhibitions?

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