please explain the Tea Party to a canuck
The right wing of the Republican Party has hijacked the Tea Party movement which tends to tar libertarians with the same reactionary brush. It is unfortunate.
ruveyn
The central spirit of the Tea Party movement is very inspiring, and is something the rest of the Western world should emulate:
- Limited government
- Reduce state spending
- End corporate corruption
It is very unfortunate to have been hijacked by a faction of nutty Republicans, and their image constantly demonized by the leftists. The latter is especially known to wholesomely portray the movement as centered around religious extremism, xenophobia, and racism. In reality, these elements are only the minority, and some have been agent provocateurs sent in by the left (see the Middle School teacher incident).
It's no wonder leftists are especially fond of strawman arguments.
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if you believe tea partiers are about that, then i have a bridge in brooklyn i'd like to sell you.
Yeah I heard all about them actually astroturfing for big businesses, but I believe its the select few of those poorly chosen politicians they've backed. The majority of those attending the rallies, the true grassroot members of the movement, are fully against crony capitalism since many of them are small business owners.
Like said, its a sad thing the TP movement has been hijacked by the very enemy they are out to remove.
i understand the basics of american politics, but this Tea Party stuff has thrown me for a loop.
i am a canadian. i don't read the newspaper, nor do i watch television news. the closest thing i read to the news is consumerist.com for their consumer stories.
i tried asking my husband about the Tea Party, and he explained it to me somewhat. but he only half-watches the news himself.
anyway. i'm lazy. anybody care to explain some of the background, or why there are such strong opinions about this Tea Party? thank you in advance.
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It's basically conservative voters who were pissed that a black democratic man won the presidency without any doubt and prefer to blame him for things he did not start(the recession, TARP, the deficit) and grossly exaggerate what he has done so far(so called takeover of healthcare and the banks). They are paranoid about alien socialists/nazists/maoists/communists trying to take over the US and worship Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin as their lords and masters and actively campaign for higher corporate profits at their own expense. Rich conservative people like the Koch brothers fund them but don't actively participate in demonstrations since they are certain the common fold will make certain their wealthy overlords will get their tax breaks. Since they think the Republican party failed them and won't abide by their extreme views, they opted to form their own pseudo-party to put in those extreme ignorant folks like themselves in congress and take this country back to some... imaginary utopia in America's past that no one can identify.
My video said the same thing.
yes, the video gave an excellent breakdown of the specific ideas in the Tea Party, in an argument format. i focused too much on the graphics and not enough on the ideas lol.
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ruveyn, thank you. that is quite helpful. i appreciate the history behind it.
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John_Browning thanks for presenting some of the other side. your points sound quite reasonable.
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Birthers do not believe Obama was born in the US until he discloses his long form birth certificate and explain why he has a social security number from Connecticut when he never lived there. Also, Michelle Obama once said he was born in Kenya.
As for the Tea Party, they resent that Obama only represents the most extreme left wing of his constituents. Obama may have won by a landslide in the electoral vote, but only won with 53% of the popular vote. More than half the country now disapproves of Obama's job performance and the people are also mad at the congressmen who helped Obama pursue his out of touch agenda. If Obama had kept a moderate agenda, bridging party lines like he promised at the DNC, the Tea Party would probably have remained relegated to a handful of rednecks holding small, sporadic protests and mailing teabags to Washington D.C. But the Democrats didn't do that so the Tea Party exploded into a movement that will probably kick the democrats out of control of the house, thus leaving Obama in a stalemate for the rest of his time in office.
Just because his approval rating is below 50% does NOT mean that the majority has fled to the conservative side. Many dissenters are pissed off because they don't believe he's acted left enough. Many Americans wanted the public option and an end to the war on terror. Many Americans wanted to see him give the finger to the filibusterring right.
He DID try to bridge the party lines. He did attempt to open the lines of communication. He wanted to hear ideas from the right. Sadly, the right responded with no, no, no. They resurrected the filibuster and held their breath until their faces turned blue, like children. This has created a gridlock and has been detrimental to our country's health. You cannot blame Obama for the lack of cooperation from the right.
- Limited government
- Reduce state spending
- End corporate corruption
It is very unfortunate to have been hijacked by a faction of nutty Republicans, and their image constantly demonized by the leftists. The latter is especially known to wholesomely portray the movement as centered around religious extremism, xenophobia, and racism. In reality, these elements are only the minority, and some have been agent provocateurs sent in by the left (see the Middle School teacher incident).
It's no wonder leftists are especially fond of strawman arguments.
fair enough. i think i see what you are saying - Te Party spirit or basic tenets seem to come from a good place.
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Well, avoiding all the conspiracy theories and prejudices displayed already....
The tea party movement represents many people because it represents some foundational principles that attract each of them for various reasons. I hear a lot of outright slander of the movement in general, and every person I know who has actually attended an event has not seen anything coming close to the nonsense I hear being screamed about by the mainstream press against it.
The movement, in my observation, begins with a demand for government accountability and responsibility.
For some time now, probably 20 years or more, voters have felt that the politicians care nothing about what we want after they get our votes in the election. This angst/dissatisfaction has grown worse every election cycle. Indeed Americans are at the point where they have little to no confidence in the politicians in office or the electoral process as a whole.
Now, we had 9/11, and many can debate the necessity of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as the war spending, but it is clear that government seems to not see a spending program they don't like. Republicans claim to hold to conservative values and are the party of personal responsibility. With G.W. Bush and the Republicans running the Congress, we had government expansion and spending that made the Democrats look like penny-pinching old men. Republicans were given near-total control of DC and they botched things really bad.
More so, the effort to EDUCATE the average American of how bad a condition our economy actually is in (in spite of outward appearances) and how unsound our monetary policy is has started to bear fruit. More and more Americans are now keenly aware of how unsustainable government has become and how bad of a economic train wreck is coming. The outrage at all the self-serving government programs created by politicians for their special interests at the expense of our current hopes for prosperity and the prosperity for our children and grandchildren has reached a breaking point.
Now, in 2008, Obama becomes president on the platform of "hope and change." For anyone who knows politics and politicians, there was nothing credible about his claims, nor did he have a real action plan to turn around what America was doing wrong. Before he won the election, government was pushing the TARP bailouts of Wall Street....something the pubic was massively opposed to. If any of us are fiscally irresponsible, we go bankrupt. We loose our home. We loose our car. We eat 99 cent generic mac and cheese because it's all we can afford, but let Wall Street act badly and the taxpayers get stuck with the bill. The best way to let the free market fix itself is to let bad actors reap what they sow. Not here, and that was the trigger point. Congress passed something we didn't want them to, giving preferred treatment to a whole class of free market actors over others.
Then, Obama gets into office. What does he choose to do? Change how government operates? No. We then see the bailout of 2 out of 3 grossly mis-managed US automakers...again with taxpayer money. Only if those two failing companies (which have not changed their business leadership or business model) were to become astoundingly successful would the taxpayer see anything good come of the bailouts.
Next comes Obamacare. The "heath care reform" we desperately need REQUIRES that every party that contributes to the health care issue be put together to fix what is broken and keep what works. Did Obama or his Democrats in Congress do that? No. They passed a monstrosity of legislation that even Pelosi admitted publicly to having never read. "We have to pass it before we can know what's in it" is tantamount to treason. It is their job to know all the intimate details of a bill before they vote to make it a law. Even then, it's now come out that the budget numbers on what Obamacare will cost and it's economic impact were fudged while selling the idea to the American people (not that it helped, we were jaded enough to not buy it), and even the watchdog groups couldn't get a full copy of the bill (which was passed) for analysis until after it was made law.
Government as usual, billions if not trillions of debt for programs we can't afford. Reform that really makes things worse overall, mostly because laws are written by special interests to serve themselves and not the people it's supposed to help.
When you realize the last thing our nation can afford is more spending when we have to beg China to buy our T-bills so our dollar won't implode next year, no matter how well-intentioned, more programs and more spending is the LAST THING we want or need.
We want government responsibility and accountability, and yet again, we do not have it.
That is why the movement has gained so much steam in the last two-years.
Yes, the Republicans are capitalizing on the movement right now....chiefly because we are still entrenched in a two-party system (that needs to change), but even the conservative (albeit Republican) pundits are noting that if the American people give Republicans the Congress in 2010 and they DO NOT work to bring government back to something sane (regardless of how well Obama helps/obstructs the effort), where do we go from there? Will a new 3rd party emerge that people will go with?
Sadly, to change Congress, it is imperative to have the public outrage to vote out incumbents for at least 6 years straight (3 election cycles...generally). Only if you reduce Congress so that nobody has that much seniority can you get out the old guard that got us into this mess and put in people who have chance of doing what they promised to do when elected.
The tea party is a sham to appeal to a bunch of saps who worship the propagandized version of American history and origins. Brilliant folk who don't understand the concept of "no taxation without representation" and merely hear "no taxation" because they're big on details like that.
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Never let a lefty try to tell you what tea party folks think. It's like a NT telling you what it feels like to be an aspie, Or like a rich white guy telling you how it feels to be a poor black man. Most lefties do not have a clue what the tea party is. Some do understand and will just lie about it to spread rumors.
Sarah Palin is not the tea party. She an opportunist who saw political gain by supporting the tea party.
Glenn beck is not the tea party. He is securely planted in the fundamentalist religious right.
The tea party is not racist. The core of the party started under Bush.
- Limited government
- Reduce state spending
- End corporate corruption
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Corporate-Government cronyism goes all the way back to Alexander Hamilton. Government can be limited - somewhat. State spending can be reduced - somewhat. Corporate corruption co-exists with corporations. It will not go away. Perhaps it can be reduced to a manageable level.
ruveyn
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