How can someone with Aspergers be left-wing?

Page 2 of 21 [ 329 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 21 Next

Joined: 25 Dec 2006
Age: 72
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,351

06 Nov 2010, 2:46 am

I've lived my life in ignorance of aspergers, and the cooperative, accepting, tolerant society that exists somewhere in the back blocks of your average lefties imagination has always seemed to me to be a pretty good one.

ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

06 Nov 2010, 4:24 am

peterd wrote:

Your "average leftie" is a closet totalitarian regardless of his "good intentions" or his high opinion of himself.

ruveyn

Gruntre
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

Joined: 8 Oct 2010
Age: 53
Gender: Male
Posts: 64
Location: Melbourne, Australia.

06 Nov 2010, 4:33 am

I'm as Aspie as they come, and as left wing as anyone I know, and then some. What I want to know is if Aspies are supposed to be a higher intelligence how you managed to come up with some pearls of stupidity like you did in your question. Or are you baiting, to get an angry reaction, so that they must be illogical?. How very typically illogical and right wing of you.

Grow up.

puddingmouse
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,777
Location: Cottonopolis

06 Nov 2010, 4:36 am

You could analyse the capitalist system 'logically' and decide that it doesn't work.

Whether you want to change it or not, depends on your life experiences and several other things.

ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

06 Nov 2010, 4:37 am

adifferentname wrote:

Logical thinking incorporates morality, personal experience and personal ideals.

Actually not. Morality lies in premises to one's thinking, not in the validity of inference.

There are underlying assumptions that conduce to morality and there are underlying assumptions that lead in just the other direction. For example Hitler was very logical in his thinking. It was his premises that were monstrous.

ruveyn

ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

06 Nov 2010, 4:49 am

LibertarianAS wrote:

some Asperger traits:

-Perseveration and difficulties with change
-low agreeability
-logical thinking

now a leftists is someone who WANT change,who want to live in a COLLECTIVE over INDIVIDUALISTIC world where everyone help everyone and about logical thinking...LOL

Even if we grant the truth of your assumptions (and they are dubious) they do not address the basic question. Who or what is the primary entity: the individual or the collective? And how do we (Aspie or not) find the balance between our individual/personal interests and our social needs. Man is a social animal. There are probably less than ten thousand true hermits who live totally isolated lives (like Tom Hanks on his desert island) in the world today. Humans are non constituted to live atomically. On the other hand humans are not hive animals or herd animals either.

ruveyn

adifferentname
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Jan 2008
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,885

06 Nov 2010, 6:03 am

ruveyn wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

Logical thinking incorporates morality, personal experience and personal ideals.

Morality is part of the information that you have learned about the world around you and your role in it. Hitler had his own form of morality, which allowed him to perform the acts which he did without breaking his own ethical code.

The inherent belief that he was acting in a morally correct manner formed a large part of the justification for his actions. Hitler's logical decisions were made because of his moral views, not in spite of them.

bee33
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Age: 60
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,612

06 Nov 2010, 6:15 am

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:

I'm always amazed at how 'logic' gets conflated issues of values or worldview. Logic is easy; it's usually easy to get that right. What is harder is thinking about initial assumptions, especially the ones the don't realize you're making at first.

I may be making an assumption, but it seems to me that logic goes hand in hand with wanting to empirically ascertain facts.

The right is interested in manipulating facts to arrive at false conclusions. The left can do that as well, but the left, which looks at the state of the world and tries to make it more just, is much more reality-focused than the right, which is interested in creating conditions that benefit the rich and the ruling class.

And if WP is any indication, it seems that Aspies are more likely to be left-leaning.

Dennis
Deinonychus

Joined: 2 Nov 2005
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 361
Location: Ohio

06 Nov 2010, 10:26 am

Obama increased funding for disabilties and Sharron Angle uses quote marks when complaining vaguely about health insurance covering autism related things.

Zara
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 23 Jun 2007
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,877
Location: Deep Dungeon, VA

06 Nov 2010, 11:22 am

LibertarianAS wrote:

Aspies are as varied in their political stances as NTs. Not sure why that would be surprising.

_________________
Current obsessions: Miatas, Investing
Currently playing: Amnesia: The Dark Descent
Currently watching: SRW OG2: The Inspectors

Come check out my photography!
http://dmausf.deviantart.com/

mcg
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 26 Jan 2010
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 538
Location: Sacramento

06 Nov 2010, 3:24 pm

Chevand wrote:

mcg wrote:

I whole-heatedly support your right to help a misunderstood minority, but am I contractually obligated to do so by my mere existence? Why do you support the use of violence against me if I choose not to support your personal political goals?

I don't, and I never said I did. I'm a pacifist. I don't believe in violence as a means of solving problems or settling differences, except as an absolute last resort. You may have your own perspective and your own priorities. You may have your own beliefs. That is fine. I think it's perfectly possible to coexist. I think our differences are what make each of us essential to a healthy and vibrant society. I respect you for your beliefs so long as you extend me the same courtesy. The only time I really don't condone ideological differences is when the ideology endorses the forcible intrusion on others' rights of personal security, free expression, privacy, and free will.

That makes you a libertarian!

Most people support forced taxation through the use of violence.

iamnotaparakeet
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 31 Jul 2007
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 25,091
Location: 0.5 Galactic radius

06 Nov 2010, 3:26 pm

Most of the denizens of WP are left-wing.

ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

06 Nov 2010, 4:09 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Most of the denizens of WP are left-wing.

I would bet most are fairly young.

I think it was Churchill or Clemenceau who once said: If a young man is not a socialist by the time he is twenty he has no heart, and if he is still a socialist by the time he is fifty he has no brains.

ruveyn

iamnotaparakeet
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 31 Jul 2007
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 25,091
Location: 0.5 Galactic radius

06 Nov 2010, 4:29 pm

ruveyn wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Most of the denizens of WP are left-wing.

Ah, such that socialist propaganda, as per Marx's Manifesto, plays upon the emotions of its readers like any proper marketing and is also vacuous in its promises also like any other form of marketing?

bee33
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Age: 60
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,612

06 Nov 2010, 4:32 pm

ruveyn wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Most of the denizens of WP are left-wing.

Does 46 count as young? :wink:

iamnotaparakeet
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 31 Jul 2007
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 25,091
Location: 0.5 Galactic radius

06 Nov 2010, 4:49 pm

bee33 wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Most of the denizens of WP are left-wing.

Does 46 count as young? :wink:

You still have 4 more years to go in order to determine the second half of the conditional statement.

Page 2 of 21 [ 329 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 21 Next

Jump to:

How can someone with Aspergers be left-wing? Post Reply New Topic

How can someone with Aspergers be left-wing?