What Makes People Vote Democrat?

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I have been talking with you, but you were not listening.

I've done 3 posts since your last one, I feel ignored, unchallenged, and lonely.

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Yes, and if you had said anything that had not be countered in a previous post, I would have responded.

I just realized how I am more liberal than many of you, in that I don't think poverty should be present in everyone's lives. No one should experience it and you should wish it upon nobody, especially not as a step to convert someone to your political view.

I don't expect you to agree, only to respond as I have.

But not necessarily from you. I was talking to Marshall and Orwell regarding my big post.

You are correct that it does not make the system good. But it does make them a hypocrite. You cannot rail against a program and then use it yourself. (Especially since these people would quickly correct you that it's not "free money" whenever they're the ones paying in, rather than taking out)

To your longer post: sure, there are Republicans like yourself who aren't anti-science. But your parties agenda is driven by those people; the Republican Party cannot survive without the backing of the Religious Right, Big Oil, and other groups with vested interests in opposing science. And you are wrong about the Republicans supporting the other principles you like. Just look up the record of any Republican president in the last half-century. Economically, I don't think you are correct about the unsustainability of social democracy.

I hadn't seen it yet. Patience.

@ Adrien

I never said that I personally wished misfortune on you. Only that you probably won't understand unless you find yourself in a hard place with no recourse. I know people in that place and know for a fact that the services as they are in my country are grossly inadequate for someone with no money. I alone don't have the means to help them but if I could I would.

I don't see the things I say as some underhanded trick contrived simply for the sake of converting you over "my side". I don't think it behooves me to avoid an emotional argument when what I see is essentially a moral issue. All the rationalizations, arguments, pundits bickering, arguing, etc... It all boils down to who gets what and what is right. Cut out all the noise, all the superficial packaging of rhetoric and talking points, and that's what you're left with.

I'm not going to let you get away with thinking you're above the fray. That we can all just get along in a floating ivory tower sipping wine and discussing politics. Political views can and do cause harm, including yours. I've witnessed it myself. Sorry if I've offended you, but your views offend me. That's just the way it is.

I don't know if I fully agree, I've certainly known people who've accepted government benefits that later felt that they did more harm than good and have come out against them politically, I hesitate to call that hypocritical. I know that black conservative John McWhorter has spoken a little about his regret over accepting racial set aside scholarships and positions early in his career, as he now feels that he can never know if he was truly qualified for what he received and can't feel truly proud of his accomplishments. I can respect that position.



He's Canadian, I don't think they have Republicans there.

Changing your stance afterwards is one thing; that does not necessarily make them a hypocrite. But if someone has a prior stance against such programs, and then uses them (while still holding the view that other people on the program are bums) then yes, they are hypocrites.

Least the Republicans don't defy Federal Court Orders to appease their base and ruin the economy of certain southern states.

You claim to be unbiased, but I got news for you, you have an extremely hard liberal bias.

Do you have a hard conservative bias? And why is a viewpoint called a bias?

Viewpoints are like rectums. Everybody has at least one.

ruveyn

I know I lean conservative, and I recognize that fact. I doubt Orwell realizes the same about himself only he leans liberal.

I might need a few more details to know exactly what you're talking about.

But as long as we're doing silly one-liners that have nothing to do with the ongoing conversation, at least the Democrats don't violate international law to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.


Where have I ever claimed to be unbiased? You are hallucinating again.

You really have no theory of mind, do you? You constantly attribute motives and attitudes to other people that are completely inaccurate.
a) You do not "lean conservative." You are very much a die-hard far-right knee-jerk conservative.
b) My views have shifted quite a bit in the past few years. There are several issues on which I don't have a settled position, but I find the arguments that are made in both directions somewhat interesting. Right now, my political views are definitely liberal on balance, but I still have a bit of a libertarian streak. On social issues I am quite liberal. On economic issues I am more centrist, although somewhat left of center by US standards.

Have you noticed that this is a very common hallucination among our partisan ideologues, Orwell? It doesn't seem to matter whether they're of the left or right either, it's like some sort of creepy mind meld...

Politically-backed trade restrictions.