Are Christians responsible for the hatred of Jews today?

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Interesting. That'd most definitely explain the ingrained desire for a personal land (and is understandable). But couldn't some of that problem also be avoided (at least in modernity) by being much less insular?

It wasn't ingrained at the time - Zionism was opposed by most Jews prior to WW2 because they thought Europe was more supportive of human rights than ever before. German Jews in particular were assimilating by taking up reform Judaism and even intermarrying with Christians at huge rates ... until Hitler passed the race laws which made intermarriage illegal.

But that said, the problem of persecution should be avoidable in any truly modern country respecting human rights. The question is, do we have many of those? And if not, why?

Hate is a side effect of the human condition.

There are still many Neo Nazis in existence, but really, I do not consider Jews to be hated today. The annual Hanukah rituals in New York City may frustrate some Christian citizens, but not cause them to loathe Jews.

Pretty good memory. That scripture is from John 10:30. But does it really prove Jesus is God? Some quote this text to prove that Jesus and his Father are two parts of a triune God. Is that what Jesus meant by this statement?

Let us take a look at the context. In verse 25, Jesus stated that he did works in the name of his Father. From verses 27 to 29, he talked about symbolic sheep whom his Father had given him. Both statements by Jesus would have made little sense to his listeners if he and his Father were one and the same person. Instead, Jesus said, in effect, ‘My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father.’ It is much like a son saying to his father’s enemy, ‘If you attack my father, you attack me.’ No one would conclude that this son and his father were the same person. But all could perceive the strong bond of unity between them.

Jesus and his Father, Jehovah God, are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, standards, and values. In contrast with Satan the Devil and the first human couple, Adam and Eve, Jesus never wanted to become independent of God. “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing,” Jesus explained. “For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.”—John 5:19; 14:10; 17:8.

This strong bond of unity, however, does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to Luke 22:42, Jesus said: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?—Matthew 24:36.

Members of many religions worship gods that are depicted as quarreling and fighting with their own family members. In Greek mythology, for example, Cronus overthrew his father, Uranus, and devoured his own children. How different this is from the oneness based on true love between Jehovah God and his Son, Jesus! And how this unity endears them to us! In fact, we have the incomparable privilege of being in union with these two highest Persons in all the universe. Regarding his followers, Jesus prayed: “I make request . . . that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us.”—John 17:20, 21.

Thus, when Jesus said, “I and the Father are one,” he was speaking, not of a mysterious Trinity, but of a wonderful unity—the closest bond possible between two persons. If you and your father saw eye to eye on something you might be inclined to say "My Father and I are one."

Or so according to the Jehovah's Witnesses. The rest of us who call ourselves Christians are pretty much trinitarian.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Jesus meant that he and the Father (God) are one. Why don't you just take it literally instead of adding your imaginative theories into the text?

Oh, and one thing: informed Christians don't say that the Father and the Son are each a part of the triune God. Understand the Christian theology well before you argue against it.



Once again, understand the Christian theology well. Jesus and the Father are NOT the same person (according to Christianity).

By the way, the Jews wanted to throw stones at Jesus because he claimed that he was God. They obviously understood what Jesus was trying to say (unlike the clueless you, lol).



Aha, so you're a JW - a cult member. That explains a lot!

Haven't you ever wondered, though, why Jesus had such special privileges in the Bible? Think!



They are not one person. No informed Christian says such a thing.



Union of purpose here ... but that doesn't mean that the Bible never says that Jesus and the Father are one in substance. Read John 1 again without the JW glasses on.

And read Matthew 28:19 to see how God is depicted as a triune being.

There are so many verses in the NT pointing to Jesus being God that you'd have to either be in denial or just an ignorant fool to reject what those verses actually say.



If you're the son of a human, doesn't this make you a human? Or does it make you a dog?

Think!

And somewhere else it says in the gospels that he and his disciples are one as well, does this mean we should call God whatever the word for 15 parts is?

No. We should realize that Jesus (if he really said what is attributed to him) was batsh*t crazy and thought that he was God. And Jesus may not have been the only one. I have met several people who either they believe they are God or believe they have a private and secure connection to the Almighty and know what He,She,It is thinking. These people are dangerous, by the way.

I fail to see why you put any credence in Scripture beyond its role as literature and a cultural marker. You wouldn't believe Homer's Odessy literally, or J.R.R. Tolkien. So why believe the bible literally?

ruveyn

If RUVEYN were God, I would have joyfully worshiped HIM.

[quote="MCalavera"]If RUVEYN were God, I would have joyfully worshiped HIM.[/quote

If God offered me His job I would run for my life. Being God is the very last thing I would want to be.

ruveyn

Priceless. You still will not admit your error.

Salonfilosoof posted a quote by Albert Einstein. You said it was made up. You did not even claim it was taken out of context, nor say anything about where it came from. You simply said - clearly without any knowledge of the facts - that it was made up. I then posted links to scans of the magazine article where those lines of Einstein's were taken from, taken from a website that nobody could claim was "antisemitic".

And now it looks very much as if you are making a lot of vague, self-righteous noise about fighting "racism" in the hope that nobody will notice the error you have made. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are deceiving yourself here rather than consciously deceiving others.

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its only a minscule part of Islam that hates other religions, its actually a peaceful religion but every religion has their zealots, KKK is a catholic organization they are extremists they claim the bible demands that white are the superior race and they arent far off the bible supports slavery http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_bibl.htm , rape http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm , and child abuse http://www.tldm.org/news6/child.discipline.htm .

i hate all this beliefism of Muslims when no other religion is any better, im Agnostic Atheist and i never hate on anyones religion except to defend my beliefs or to defend other religions yes mainly against christians, it seems they judge the most despite passing judgement on others is one of their biggest sins cuz only God can pass judgement. hell i cant even count how many times i have defended peoples right to their religion i may not believe it but that dont make it my place to condemn them course because of the Islamophobia started by the christians(always on the news the most hateful are christian priests) i have been defending them a lot though i know muslms bith male and female its overall a very peaceful religion and yes women have rights except under the rule of the taliban they didnt, but when they where their clothing its mainly out of tradition not because they are forced to like i said the Taliban are the only ones that will stone them if they dont but their power is almost non existent these days

and yes the child abuse part of the bible says if you beat your child you save his soul from hell

my grandma claims im interpreting it wrong but the bible i have said the same thing that website said there really is no other way to interpret it unless you just in denial

Islam is peaceful on it's own. But when muslims are faced with other cultures around, it's evil nature ALWAYS reveal itself. They are also very easy to manipulate, one says "burn the flags" and the sheeple wreck a city without question.

As for the jews, it's bankers fault. Everybody knows that jews control most of the banks. From here on, it's not difficult to start the hatred and blaming them for the economic collapse and all...

lol;

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