Did the baby boomer generation ruin the world?

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27 Feb 2011, 7:45 pm

I doubt that Generation Y could possibly be any worse.

They might decide to cut off our social security, but after our generation has died off, no big deal.



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27 Feb 2011, 7:53 pm

I wonder, had boomers fought in a mass scale war, and then Gen X before me, the maliciously well-informed, therefore pariah of Gen Y, would my generation not have boom times borne of necessity to rebuild the world? It was once the world was rebuilt and austerity, which was the norm for every generation pre-boomers, should have set in once more.

Here is the evil in the boomer generation:

Middle-class welfare.

No other generation has ever received welfare when they an income. The only way in which boomers destroyed the world was by grooming the next generations to live off BOTH an income AND welfare, a dichotomy boomers invented.


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27 Feb 2011, 8:16 pm

economic woes aside, I feel that learned behavior left over from the affluent lifestyle they enjoyed is responsible for the entitlement/narcissist epidemic that we are experienceing now. This is a cultural void the like of has never been experienced before which stems from a childish agrandisment complex that is so ridiculous it almost completely separates me from any sort of connection with modern society. How does one go about re-edjucating 8 billion people for the next 1000 years that you can't all live like super models in rap videos? This is an epic event of humman psychology and we can't even understand the full effects of it all. It may be better to be alive now than it was in the 30's but erosion of sustainable social frameworks is no joke.



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27 Feb 2011, 8:26 pm

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economic woes aside, I feel that learned behavior left over from the affluent lifestyle they enjoyed is responsible for the entitlement/narcissist epidemic that we are experienceing now. This is a cultural void the like of has never been experienced before which stems from a childish agrandisment complex that is so ridiculous it almost completely separates me from any sort of connection with modern society. How does one go about re-edjucating 8 billion people for the next 1000 years that you can't all live like super models in rap videos? This is an epic event of humman psychology and we can't even understand the full effects of it all. It may be better to be alive now than it was in the 30's but erosion of sustainable social frameworks is no joke.
Yes exactly. Narcissism and a sense of entitlement are rampant these days.



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27 Feb 2011, 8:40 pm

the sequence of events were set well in motion before even the boomers and gen x'ers came of age. I don't really blame them so much personally but I do believe they will be the ones that end up breaking the camel's back the next 10-20 years. The fate of the world will be decided during this time-frame.



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27 Feb 2011, 8:48 pm

RedHanrahan wrote:
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To blame ... as entirely the fault of the 'boomers' is to deny ...

Possibly, but who else has ever left such an insurmountable debt for their own children and grandchildren to pay?

"A good man leaves an inheritance to his children’s children, But the wealth of the sinner is stored up for the righteous."
(Proverbs 13:22)


Surely to understand is not to necessarily to excuse.

Please check my closing comments regard personal responsibility - they apply to all concerned parties.

So I could make my own point, my "possibly" was intended to acknowledge anything you had said.


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27 Feb 2011, 9:12 pm

Hey, don't blame us.

YOU try going to elementary schools that were so overcrowded that there were 50 or 70 kids per class.
Then going on to high school where the same thing happened.

University? Same again. They weren't big enough to cope with the demand, so many of us missed out.

But wait! When boys turned 18 they were often grabbed by the government and sent to Vietnam. Good fun!

A job? When you left high school or college there were a gazzilion others entering the job market at the same time.

If you think we had it easy then you can think again!



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27 Feb 2011, 9:15 pm

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When boys turned 18 they were often grabbed by the government and sent to Vietnam.

Sigsbee, Grant, Todt ...

Several friends of mine died there.


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27 Feb 2011, 9:41 pm

Culture has a mind of its own now; the internet. The influences and ideas of people from the past and the present across the globe changing second by second. There are many human experiments going on now that we unwittingly participate in, and have little to no control over, and have no idea what the results will be; the nature of man experiencing what he has not experienced before at geometric proportions.

We normally base our decisions for the future on our past. But if the present is too complex, can we be in effect locked out of ourselves? I often hear people say I never have time to reflect except for the drive to and from work. This isn't the case for everyone, but I do think it is a common experience for some. Did anyone ever experience something like this one hundred years ago? I doubt it.

A normal social frame work has common human elements that everyone can relate to and share in. The common element is the thing I think that is missing from todays world. It started with tribe, grew to village, country, nation, and now world. The history of our combined knowledge has lead us here, but what is it that we share. A sense of tribe? A sense of nation? Can a person even have a sense of world?

I don't think the baby boomers are responsible for ruining the world. I think what is happening in the world is largely the result of shared knowledge that has grown to the point where it controls us rather than us controlling it. For thousands of years we have used culture as an adaptation to environment. I think the question now becomes how long will we be able to adapt to a worldwide culture that has gained a mind of its own.



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27 Feb 2011, 10:11 pm

aghogday wrote:
We normally base our decisions for the future on our past. But if the present is too complex, can we be in effect locked out of ourselves? I often hear people say I never have time to reflect except for the drive to and from work. This isn't the case for everyone, but I do think it is a common experience for some. Did anyone ever experience something like this one hundred years ago? I doubt it.

A normal social frame work has common human elements that everyone can relate to and share in. The common element is the thing I think that is missing from todays world. It started with tribe, grew to village, country, nation, and now world. The history of our combined knowledge has lead us here, but what is it that we share. A sense of tribe? A sense of nation? Can a person even have a sense of world?


"We the people" used to be Americans.
In England or France or Germany "we the people" used to be English or French or Germans.

Now we must allow our countries to be overrun by millions of aliens.

If we complain then we are "haters" or "racists".



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27 Feb 2011, 10:57 pm

Wombat wrote:
aghogday wrote:
We normally base our decisions for the future on our past. But if the present is too complex, can we be in effect locked out of ourselves? I often hear people say I never have time to reflect except for the drive to and from work. This isn't the case for everyone, but I do think it is a common experience for some. Did anyone ever experience something like this one hundred years ago? I doubt it.

A normal social frame work has common human elements that everyone can relate to and share in. The common element is the thing I think that is missing from todays world. It started with tribe, grew to village, country, nation, and now world. The history of our combined knowledge has lead us here, but what is it that we share. A sense of tribe? A sense of nation? Can a person even have a sense of world?


"We the people" used to be Americans.
In England or France or Germany "we the people" used to be English or French or Germans.

Now we must allow our countries to be overrun by millions of aliens.

If we complain then we are "haters" or "racists".


when the declaration of indepenence was published they had to print a german edition so
the huns that were overrunning Pittsburg could read it.
and you are right in Germany the Volk used to be just the Volk.
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28 Feb 2011, 12:01 am

The rule is the younger the politician, the worse. This is because they were most likely brought up believing that There is No Alternative and they never remember a day when governments tried to and largely succeeded in implementing full employment.



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28 Feb 2011, 12:13 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
Wombat wrote:
aghogday wrote:
We normally base our decisions for the future on our past. But if the present is too complex, can we be in effect locked out of ourselves? I often hear people say I never have time to reflect except for the drive to and from work. This isn't the case for everyone, but I do think it is a common experience for some. Did anyone ever experience something like this one hundred years ago? I doubt it.

A normal social frame work has common human elements that everyone can relate to and share in. The common element is the thing I think that is missing from todays world. It started with tribe, grew to village, country, nation, and now world. The history of our combined knowledge has lead us here, but what is it that we share. A sense of tribe? A sense of nation? Can a person even have a sense of world?


"We the people" used to be Americans.
In England or France or Germany "we the people" used to be English or French or Germans.

Now we must allow our countries to be overrun by millions of aliens.

If we complain then we are "haters" or "racists".


when the declaration of indepenence was published they had to print a german edition so
the huns that were overrunning Pittsburg could read it.
and you are right in Germany the Volk used to be just the Volk.
-Jake


Interesting that the aliens that populate our country often manage to keep their social frameworks intact. Social frameworks are more evident when the common element is survival; for many of these people we is more important than me. Many of the jobs they perform are equivalent to jobs that people did one hundred years ago. When I saw these people in Super-Walmart they often carried a smile and a sense of optimism that seemed different from most others.



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28 Feb 2011, 2:16 am

donnie_darko wrote:
I don't think the world is ruined. I'd sure rather live now than in the 1930s. But it is kind of scary how few specialists there are in Generation Y. i do wonder if my generation is capable of running the modern world...


I don't think a lack of specialists is a problem (even if that is true) the problem is perhaps that modern society keeps getting trickier and fiddlier in an attempt to sustain certain kinds of growth.


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28 Feb 2011, 4:19 am

It was agriculture that "ruined" the world. Once mankind got out of the hunter-gathering mode the sh*t hit the fan.

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28 Feb 2011, 4:35 am

ruveyn is right damn agricultural revolution.
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