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19 Apr 2011, 6:33 am

For most of the time do people ever think or do they more often than not merely react to keywords with canned psittacisms? It seems to me as though people usually will not bother to listen most of the time, but instead will merely respond to buzzwords with rehearsed thoughts or phrases that they've heard others use.



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19 Apr 2011, 6:35 am

I don't think, I know.



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19 Apr 2011, 8:39 am

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For most of the time do people ever think or do they more often than not merely react to keywords with canned psittacisms? It seems to me as though people usually will not bother to listen most of the time, but instead will merely respond to buzzwords with rehearsed thoughts or phrases that they've heard others use.


Rehash, reuse, regurgitate, repeat topic

I love the phrase "canned psittacisms" coming from you, IANAP. :D

Seriously, though, I find most of the posts here by regular members to be sincere and honest. I have no doubt that the member thought carefully before posting, and many of us are passionate about our theories, beliefs, peeves, and such. This is PPR. 8)

Some posts I agree with, and some I do not. I think as a centrist, with some ideas on the left, though I have had issues even with those who have similar leanings. No two people are identical, synonymous, eactly the same. I state whom I agree with, and why. I do not try to persuade others to think or post as I do, and I will state the reasons for my thoughts, as I write here. I have no wish for camp followers, and I will change/modify opinions should contrary evidence seem reasonable. One example of this is the use of marijuana. I used to think it should remain illegal, and now I can see that this idea is untenable, but I still have not changed my view that I disdain the use of pot for myself. :)

Food for thought. No shortage here. :mrgreen:


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19 Apr 2011, 1:02 pm

I like to think that I think about things. However, I think perhaps what happens is new people come in here all the time not realizing that the things they bring up have already been discussed. If I have carefully thought about something already, and if I am sure about my answer, and someone asks a question that relates to that answer--it doesn't matter how many times the question is asked--the answer will always be the same.

Something else to think about: Some things I say may be a psittacism (I love that word, btw). But if I've already drawn a conclusion, or if I've discovered elsewhere a good response to a question or issue, there is nothing wrong with responding in a prepared kind of way. Part of the problem I've always had, really, most of my life, is being confronted with things and either not having a good, coherent answer at all, or attempting to make some kind of effort in conversation or in work/group projects and being roughly dismissed for being the village idiot. I have some great ideas. But the next "idiot" that says identically what I've said before gets glowing approval for having come up with a great idea worth going with, to which I stand open-mouthed and dumbfounded because I'd JUST SAID THAT 10 minutes ago.

So I practice. I think about what it is people respond to and prepare my own stock response. I smile at people I meet because someone a long time ago told me that's what I should do. Pretend to be a robot just to get from point A to point B and back home. It doesn't take me 10 minutes to come up with an idea and express it. I don't have to look like an idiot. I maintain the veneer of an intelligent person. I've got plenty of time away from other people during which I can "be myself."

If something is true AND it is always true, exactly how many different ways can you express that truth?

[personA]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personB]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personC]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personD]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personE]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.

And the funny thing is I think I've responded to something like this before...

But if I don't know the answer, or I've gotten a thorough beat-down on a topic--YES, I do ask whether the opponent is right; or if I am right, where exactly did I go wrong? Is there a better way? Has this question been answered before? Yes, that requires some actual THINKING. But once I get it figured out, I don't need to think about it any more.

There's nothing wrong with that. Someone who is poor at playing chess would benefit from memorizing games and strategies used by the pros. Having an entire game mapped out in your head before the first move cuts down on the mental effort it's going to take to succeed. Sure, the game is probably going to change, but you KNOW what lies at the end of the game if it continues in that direction. It is ok to rehearse those games and variations of those games. You learn a lot that way. My focus is more on Christianity and the Bible. I don't have much memorized, but it doesn't take me long to find what I'm looking for.

"Thinking" isn't my best strength, anyway. Figuring out the shortcuts saves time and energy for when things DO change. I may not really be "thinking" all that much most of the time--but I'm ready to think when I DO have to.

Take this thread for instance. Sartresue responded.

[humorous summarization] topic

EVERY SINGLE TIME.

So I don't feel alone.



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19 Apr 2011, 1:10 pm

AngelRho wrote:
I like to think that I think about things. However, I think perhaps what happens is new people come in here all the time not realizing that the things they bring up have already been discussed. If I have carefully thought about something already, and if I am sure about my answer, and someone asks a question that relates to that answer--it doesn't matter how many times the question is asked--the answer will always be the same.

Something else to think about: Some things I say may be a psittacism (I love that word, btw). But if I've already drawn a conclusion, or if I've discovered elsewhere a good response to a question or issue, there is nothing wrong with responding in a prepared kind of way. Part of the problem I've always had, really, most of my life, is being confronted with things and either not having a good, coherent answer at all, or attempting to make some kind of effort in conversation or in work/group projects and being roughly dismissed for being the village idiot. I have some great ideas. But the next "idiot" that says identically what I've said before gets glowing approval for having come up with a great idea worth going with, to which I stand open-mouthed and dumbfounded because I'd JUST SAID THAT 10 minutes ago.

So I practice. I think about what it is people respond to and prepare my own stock response. I smile at people I meet because someone a long time ago told me that's what I should do. Pretend to be a robot just to get from point A to point B and back home. It doesn't take me 10 minutes to come up with an idea and express it. I don't have to look like an idiot. I maintain the veneer of an intelligent person. I've got plenty of time away from other people during which I can "be myself."

If something is true AND it is always true, exactly how many different ways can you express that truth?

[personA]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personB]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personC]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personD]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personE]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.

And the funny thing is I think I've responded to something like this before...

But if I don't know the answer, or I've gotten a thorough beat-down on a topic--YES, I do ask whether the opponent is right; or if I am right, where exactly did I go wrong? Is there a better way? Has this question been answered before? Yes, that requires some actual THINKING. But once I get it figured out, I don't need to think about it any more.

There's nothing wrong with that. Someone who is poor at playing chess would benefit from memorizing games and strategies used by the pros. Having an entire game mapped out in your head before the first move cuts down on the mental effort it's going to take to succeed. Sure, the game is probably going to change, but you KNOW what lies at the end of the game if it continues in that direction. It is ok to rehearse those games and variations of those games. You learn a lot that way. My focus is more on Christianity and the Bible. I don't have much memorized, but it doesn't take me long to find what I'm looking for.

"Thinking" isn't my best strength, anyway. Figuring out the shortcuts saves time and energy for when things DO change. I may not really be "thinking" all that much most of the time--but I'm ready to think when I DO have to.

Take this thread for instance. Sartresue responded.

[humorous summarization] topic

EVERY SINGLE TIME.

So I don't feel alone.


EVERY SINGLE TIME topic

I do it MY way. Topically. :mrgreen:


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19 Apr 2011, 1:16 pm

Just because people do not think the way you do, does not mean they don't think.
Just because people disagree with you, does not automatically mean that they are stupid.
Just because people are not convinced by your arguments, does not mean they are closed-minded.

Intelligent people capable of critical thinking are a dime of dozen, even if they are proportionately rare.



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19 Apr 2011, 1:19 pm

Only as a last resort. :P

I think there's a balance to be struck between fresh thought, and reliance on ingrained routines. Too much thinking is debilitating.


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19 Apr 2011, 1:58 pm

Depends on the topic and who you're talking to. A lot of people receive their opinions from the opinion factories better known as pundits, left or right


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19 Apr 2011, 2:39 pm

sartresue wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
I like to think that I think about things. However, I think perhaps what happens is new people come in here all the time not realizing that the things they bring up have already been discussed. If I have carefully thought about something already, and if I am sure about my answer, and someone asks a question that relates to that answer--it doesn't matter how many times the question is asked--the answer will always be the same.

Something else to think about: Some things I say may be a psittacism (I love that word, btw). But if I've already drawn a conclusion, or if I've discovered elsewhere a good response to a question or issue, there is nothing wrong with responding in a prepared kind of way. Part of the problem I've always had, really, most of my life, is being confronted with things and either not having a good, coherent answer at all, or attempting to make some kind of effort in conversation or in work/group projects and being roughly dismissed for being the village idiot. I have some great ideas. But the next "idiot" that says identically what I've said before gets glowing approval for having come up with a great idea worth going with, to which I stand open-mouthed and dumbfounded because I'd JUST SAID THAT 10 minutes ago.

So I practice. I think about what it is people respond to and prepare my own stock response. I smile at people I meet because someone a long time ago told me that's what I should do. Pretend to be a robot just to get from point A to point B and back home. It doesn't take me 10 minutes to come up with an idea and express it. I don't have to look like an idiot. I maintain the veneer of an intelligent person. I've got plenty of time away from other people during which I can "be myself."

If something is true AND it is always true, exactly how many different ways can you express that truth?

[personA]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personB]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personC]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personD]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.
[personE]: Do you believe in God?
[me]: Yes.

And the funny thing is I think I've responded to something like this before...

But if I don't know the answer, or I've gotten a thorough beat-down on a topic--YES, I do ask whether the opponent is right; or if I am right, where exactly did I go wrong? Is there a better way? Has this question been answered before? Yes, that requires some actual THINKING. But once I get it figured out, I don't need to think about it any more.

There's nothing wrong with that. Someone who is poor at playing chess would benefit from memorizing games and strategies used by the pros. Having an entire game mapped out in your head before the first move cuts down on the mental effort it's going to take to succeed. Sure, the game is probably going to change, but you KNOW what lies at the end of the game if it continues in that direction. It is ok to rehearse those games and variations of those games. You learn a lot that way. My focus is more on Christianity and the Bible. I don't have much memorized, but it doesn't take me long to find what I'm looking for.

"Thinking" isn't my best strength, anyway. Figuring out the shortcuts saves time and energy for when things DO change. I may not really be "thinking" all that much most of the time--but I'm ready to think when I DO have to.

Take this thread for instance. Sartresue responded.

[humorous summarization] topic

EVERY SINGLE TIME.

So I don't feel alone.


EVERY SINGLE TIME topic

I do it MY way. Topically. :mrgreen:


Sartresue admiration topic

Which is why we love you! :lol:



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19 Apr 2011, 3:38 pm

sartresue wrote:
EVERY SINGLE TIME topic

I do it MY way. Topically. :mrgreen:


Tip top pocket topic

never eschew the initial sue revue


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19 Apr 2011, 3:40 pm

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I have no doubt that the member thought carefully before posting


Unless I'm drunk posting.


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19 Apr 2011, 3:47 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
For most of the time do people ever think or do they more often than not merely react to keywords with canned psittacisms? It seems to me as though people usually will not bother to listen most of the time, but instead will merely respond to buzzwords with rehearsed thoughts or phrases that they've heard others use.

This is very, very common anywhere else, on the PPR forum, not that much as far as I see.



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19 Apr 2011, 3:48 pm

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sartresue wrote:
I have no doubt that the member thought carefully before posting


Unless I'm drunk posting.


Ah, but did you think carefully about drinking?


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Fuzzy wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
sartresue wrote:
I have no doubt that the member thought carefully before posting


Unless I'm drunk posting.


Ah, but did you think carefully about drinking?


Not normally. It gets in the way of drinking.


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19 Apr 2011, 3:52 pm

People tend to prefer to know their answers.

Sometimes these answers are regurgitated after being acquired elsewhere, sometimes they are derived by logic.

I have a job that requires me to think, and I'm surrounded by people who think. But I'm aware that, for example, the kid at the Taco Time drive-through window is clearly not thinking. He's just on auto-pilot.



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19 Apr 2011, 4:24 pm

AngelRho wrote:
If something is true AND it is always true, exactly how many different ways can you express that truth?

By providing evidence, it should be the best way.