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According to CBC's Vote Compass, which party most closely matches your views?
Conservative 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Liberal 15%  15%  [ 2 ]
New Democrat (NDP) 62%  62%  [ 8 ]
Bloc Québécois (BQ) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Green 15%  15%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 13

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02 May 2011, 1:50 pm

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If Harper likes the USA so much, he can go live there. I have heard he wants to privatize our healthcare, I don't know if that is accurate- but if that is the case, I'll probably die

If healthcare was ever privatized (although I don't think he wants to do that--might want to institute a 2 tier system though) I would probably try to immigrate to the UK or Australia. Hey! The UK Green Party, which is gaining ground, is practically socialist! I like the sounds of that!



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02 May 2011, 2:35 pm

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If Harper likes the USA so much, he can go live there. I have heard he wants to privatize our healthcare, I don't know if that is accurate- but if that is the case, I'll probably die

If healthcare was ever privatized (although I don't think he wants to do that--might want to institute a 2 tier system though) I would probably try to immigrate to the UK or Australia. Hey! The UK Green Party, which is gaining ground, is practically socialist! I like the sounds of that!


Socialism for the losers. Capitalism for the winners.

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02 May 2011, 3:25 pm

Wrong. The formula is socialism for the winners, capitalism for the losers. The State takes care of the wealthy, the rest are subject to market discipline. Simple, isn't it.

Remember, public subsidy for private profit. Privatise the profits, socialise the losses.



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02 May 2011, 3:39 pm

Can't wait to watch the results! I'm wondering whether, being here in the US, I'll be able to get any of the early results. (The first polls close in Newfoundland at 8.30 pm NDT = 4.00 pm PDT = 2300 UTC.) Offically, cbc.ca et al. aren't starting any online coverage until the polls close in BC (7.00 pm PDT = 0200 UTC).

Lots of great comments here, too. I didn't read them much over the weekend ... too busy trying to study.



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02 May 2011, 6:40 pm

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I happen to be in the same riding. I voted Gerard Kennedy. I would have probably even voted for him if he wasn't a Liberal (I like him more).
I agree, he is a great guy, too. Quite progressive for a Liberal.


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02 May 2011, 7:26 pm

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Wrong. The formula is socialism for the winners, capitalism for the losers. The State takes care of the wealthy, the rest are subject to market discipline. Simple, isn't it.

Remember, public subsidy for private profit. Privatise the profits, socialise the losses.

Well, that is a perversion of socialism and not what I support.



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02 May 2011, 7:35 pm

I've determined that there is a primary difference between left-wingers and right-wingers.

Most left-wingers think government should help everybody, except big business.

Most right-wingers think government shouldn't help ANYBODY ...

... except ... (you know where this is going, right?)



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02 May 2011, 8:27 pm

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Wrong. The formula is socialism for the winners, capitalism for the losers. The State takes care of the wealthy, the rest are subject to market discipline. Simple, isn't it.

Remember, public subsidy for private profit. Privatise the profits, socialise the losses.


That is crony capitalism. In a truly capitalistic system there is a clear separation between State and Business.

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02 May 2011, 10:07 pm

Try telling that to lobbyists. <.<



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02 May 2011, 10:38 pm

I'm furious! What the HELL just happened? Oh, wait, Canada runs on First Past the Post! :roll:


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02 May 2011, 10:41 pm

Conservatives won a majority. NDP becomes official Opposition.

The major issue here is that the NDP surge created a split in the left-wing vote. I for one, remained a Liberal supporter. This resulted in the Conservatives winning many ridings with little or no change from previous elections. As such, this has revealed the major flaw in the first past the post voting system.

Lately, I've been hearing a lot about Alternative Voting (or Instant-runoff voting), for which there is currently a referendum for in the UK. With this method, you will be given the option of ranking the candidates by order of preference. As such, if your first choice doesn't win, your second choice gets your vote, and so on.

I predict that if I Alternative Voting system was used in today's election, the NDP would have probably won, since it would have been likely that most Liberal supporters would have selected NDP as their second choice (I know I would).

That said, it's definitely a sad day for progressive Canadians (especially now that we are stuck with Stephen Harper until at least 2015).



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02 May 2011, 10:46 pm

^^ I agree
At least the Bloc is almost completely gone. And Duceppe lost his own riding. Thank Ares
Did the ~40% of Canadians who voted Conservative pay any attention at all to what Harper is doing to our country? My guess is no


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02 May 2011, 10:51 pm

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Conservatives won a majority. NDP becomes official Opposition.

The major issue here is that the NDP surge created a split in the left-wing vote. I for one, remained a Liberal supporter. This resulted in the Conservatives winning many ridings with little or no change from previous elections. As such, this has revealed the major flaw in the first past the post voting system.

Lately, I've been hearing a lot about Alternative Voting (or Instant-runoff voting), for which there is currently a referendum for in the UK. With this method, you will be given the option of ranking the candidates by order of preference. As such, if your first choice doesn't win, your second choice gets your vote, and so on.

I predict that if I Alternative Voting system was used in today's election, the NDP would have probably won, since it would have been likely that most Liberal supporters would have selected NDP as their second choice (I know I would).

That said, it's definitely a sad day for progressive Canadians (especially now that we are stuck with Stephen Harper until at least 2015).


I prefer STV.


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02 May 2011, 10:52 pm

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Did the ~40% of Canadians who voted Conservative pay any attention at all to what Harper is doing to our country? My guess is no


I think there there are many older voters who confuse the modern Conservatives to the old Progressive Conservative party that was less extremely right wing.

When the Canadian Alliance (Reform) and PC parties merged into the Conservative Party, the PC party was near-extinction with only 12 or so seats. As such, the party known as the current Conservatives actually has more in common with the, more right wing, Reform party.



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02 May 2011, 10:58 pm

Conservative majority topic

This just in. Harpy seats are at 160+ as we speak. At least 102+ for the NDP. :D

Both Iggy and Duceppe have been unseated. No word yet on Elizabeth May. :o


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02 May 2011, 11:10 pm

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Did the ~40% of Canadians who voted Conservative pay any attention at all to what Harper is doing to our country? My guess is no


I think there there are many older voters who confuse the modern Conservatives to the old Progressive Conservative party that was less extremely right wing.

When the Canadian Alliance (Reform) and PC parties merged into the Conservative Party, the PC party was near-extinction with only 12 or so seats. As such, the party known as the current Conservatives actually has more in common with the, more right wing, Reform party.


Absolutely. Its just more evidence that they really don't pay attention. Its a shame.

Thoughts, anyone, on an NDP-Liberal merger? Just heard the talking heads talking about this.
Not likely that we're getting first-past the post any time soon. Instead of this election, the parties should have pushed for a referendum on alternative voting. Then go for the no confidence vote that would have guaranteed the Conservatives ouster after the referendum (very likely) passes. I'm not a politician but I can plan politics strategically. Why can't they? *shakes head*


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