11 years of national emergency

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considering our grandparents lived through a world war where for 3/4ths of the time we were losing badly and our parents lived their entire childhood and most of their adult lives knowing that at any minute several dozen nuclear warheads could fall on their heads...


I think we got it pretty easy now.

It's a good thing we have TSA body scanners now eh? Wouldn't want to let a skyjacker on board...

Not so. The exposure from modern X-ray devices is very small. It is probably no more hazardous to an -indivudual- traveler than X-rays at the dentist office.

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CW- He made two points. you're shocked by the mundane obvious part of what he said and seem to be unfazed by the sensational part of what he said.

Assuming that there is such a thing as Arab terrorism-the fact that you are more likely to be killed by a local american drunk driver any given weekend night then to be killed by an arab terrorist in the next ten years is obvious common sense.

That should NOT be news to you.
I would think that most people would know that.

But he's impying that there is no Arab terrorism, and that 9-11 was an inside job, and that even the few who do die in terrorist attacks are victims of staged hoaxes by the US government, or by Reptilian Space Aliens or .. whatever.

Thats the part of what he said that is problematic.

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Mostly I feel like a lot of hot smoke is being piped into my colon.

Lets think about it; the 90's had a few moments but not a lot, the 80's had real financial crisis, the 70's were truly awful, in the 60's we had domestic terrorists blowing things up, fear of government overthrow, presidents with *real* drama, in bed with the mafia who helped them get rid of mistresses. The 50's - constant fear of the Soviets and nuclear attack. 40's - WWII, 30's - The Great Recession followed by loads of miracle-grow by FDR which lead to the Great Depression that didn't let up until the 40's. The 20's - Black Tuesday, before that - prohibition and all kinds of mafia activity. The 19-teens - WWI, the 1900's decade - don't know for certain.

I think the news media is really fueling this. Their job is to make world events seem as sexy, dangerous, and on-edge as they can, essentially to get us to watch and sell advertising time but really you can count many decades in the last century where we had much *much* bigger problems at hand.

As for the flying terror threat and TSA - public opinion is expensive unfortunately. If another 9/11 happened again by the same mechanism heads would likely role. In that sense saddling the airports with this new and expensive system seems to have less of a negative impact than repeat problems with skyjackers continuing to succeed.

As for the war on terror - its the intelligence infiltrations that we had to reinvent that are really the key. We had an intelligence system and structure built to deal with Russians. Now, we're significantly more skilled and resourced in terms of dealing with non-state enemies and networks as well. Notice that the whole process started in truly awkward attempts at nation-flipping and now have come down to injection and withdrawl of special forces units. That's not to say that Afghanistan and Iraq themselves haven't given us significant strategic advantages, just that campaign management was truly aweful and it took us several years to have any idea what we were doing.

I'd still debate that with it all said and done we're getting closer to bringing the whole Islamic terror back to at least semi-dormancy and hopefully as global culture continues to change in this century fewer and fewer will take jihad quite as literally as its been taken.

I was being sarcastic.

Don't put words in my mouth, lol. I never said that 'Arab terrorism' doesn't exist (although it is extraordinarily overblown and dramatized), and I especially don't like being lumped in with 'Reptilian Space Alien' folks, or even those that say that 9/11 was an inside job. What I'm saying is that it was more like an outside-in job: mossad did it, then zionists within the ranks of authority in the US killed the investigation into it. And have been busy killing plenty of key witnesses whose statements don't jive with the Official Conspiracy Theory. This isn't controversial, it's far more plausible than the OCT - especially with scientific evidence backing up the methodology in carrying out the destruction. And the whole motive/means/access/history bit that doesn't even remotely fit the model of magical cave-Muslims bending the laws of time and space in such spectacular fashion, but just happens to fit that other model just right. I don't particularly get a kick out of constantly dredging up the tons of evidence that support this view, but if anyone here insists, then... okay.

In the meantime don't play that paramoralistic, holier-than-thou, you-are-a-crazy-conspiracy-lunatic game with me. I'd say you sound like Jonathan Kay, but I'd feel bad about insulting you without really knowing you too well, lol.
If you are so inclined as to call my viewpoint problematic, then present your reasoning.

I would argue that ad-hominem conflation of an idea with batshit-craziness is more problematic, considering that it serves no purpose in advancing a debate, and instead panders to the cognitive dissonance of others through their emotion. So please, no more demagoguery. Make your appeals toward reason. Same goes to any of the David Icke crowd, lol. Then I won't be such a demagogue about your brand of batshit-craziness...

I would also like to know what makes my claims so 'sensational.' There are far more qualified experts in avionics, physics, demolition, history (military and otherwise), politics, engineering, etc. making these claims other than myself, and much more adamantly at that. It seems as though many here would put more stock into what they are willing to believe beyond what they are willing to examine. If I were a betting man, I would bet against anyone here having thoroughly pored over this.

I get the feeling I'm just spinning my wheels in these forums... apparently there is not much of a link between Asperger's and critical thought. Strange. Maybe I just missed the boat on these debates, if they ever existed in the first place.

If foam can punch a hole in the wing of the space shuttle, 747's can knock down an office building. Don't buy into crazy theories. If it smells like BS it probably is. I don't know why the whole Palestinian world would cheer if 9-11 was perpetrated by the US government or any other body that is hostile to the Palestinian world. In the middle east while they fight amongst themselves, do they cheer each other on for how clever they kill each other?

The logic baffles me and only confirms my idea that the Palestinian world is full of deception, deceit, and is Jahannam bent on world domination and only the total submission of the world to Islam will appease the majority of Muslims.

One cannot converse with 7th century barbarians who praise the Holy Ghost as their savior.

Oh that is much less of a sensationalist conspiracy theory

I guess we Americans sorta stopped thinking about it some years back.

Its only been ten years. Ask the Egyptians what it was like to be in a "state of emergency" for some thirty years.