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21 Oct 2011, 5:32 pm

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The LRA are a terrorist group but this is still one more conflict we don't need to stick our hand into. We're engaged in conflicts in how many countries now? 8? This is getting ridiculous. Obama is the ultimate neocon.

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Jacoby, Obama is pulling out of Iraq which we actually have a legit reason to be in, because we made the mess when we took out Saddam, the responsible thing is to clean up after ourselves rather than let Iran seize power, hell Iraq doesn't even have an airforce currently.


Obama isn't doing any of that. Troops are leaving Iraq because of the Status of Forces agreement that Bush signed back in 2008 and more so because Iraq announced that US soldiers will lose their legal immunity at the end of this year.

Legal immunity doesn't mean pulling out. And to be honest Obama has actually gotten things done.


Yeah and Iran is doing its best to destabilize Iraq.


Are you making a point? Then please state it.


Obama had plenty of chances to get the agreement renewed but he sent an idiot to be ambassador and made no effort to get the agreement renewed.

Also we want a government in there that doesn't hate us, we don't need Iran in there using the oil money from Iraq to finance more terrorist attacks, and I don't want to have to have troops going back there 10 years from now because we have to take out a homicidal lunatic all over again.


Obama's policy was to leave. Iraq didn't want convincing and wanted the USA out of there. I doubt Obama wanted to do any arm twisting. I think he took the deal that he wanted. Also you didn't 'have' to take out a homicidal lunatic last time because that isn't why you entered. You entered to find WMDs that your leader knew never existed.



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21 Oct 2011, 5:34 pm

Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The LRA are a terrorist group but this is still one more conflict we don't need to stick our hand into. We're engaged in conflicts in how many countries now? 8? This is getting ridiculous. Obama is the ultimate neocon.

NO MORE NATION BUILDING NO MORE WORLD POLICE


Jacoby, Obama is pulling out of Iraq which we actually have a legit reason to be in, because we made the mess when we took out Saddam, the responsible thing is to clean up after ourselves rather than let Iran seize power, hell Iraq doesn't even have an airforce currently.


Obama isn't doing any of that. Troops are leaving Iraq because of the Status of Forces agreement that Bush signed back in 2008 and more so because Iraq announced that US soldiers will lose their legal immunity at the end of this year.

Legal immunity doesn't mean pulling out. And to be honest Obama has actually gotten things done.


Yeah and Iran is doing its best to destabilize Iraq.


Are you making a point? Then please state it.


Obama had plenty of chances to get the agreement renewed but he sent an idiot to be ambassador and made no effort to get the agreement renewed.

Also we want a government in there that doesn't hate us, we don't need Iran in there using the oil money from Iraq to finance more terrorist attacks, and I don't want to have to have troops going back there 10 years from now because we have to take out a homicidal lunatic all over again.


Obama's policy was to leave. Iraq didn't want convincing and wanted the USA out of there. I doubt Obama wanted to do any arm twisting. I think he took the deal that he wanted. Also you didn't 'have' to take out a homicidal lunatic last time because that isn't why you entered. You entered to find WMDs that your leader knew never existed.


So he used nonexistent WMDs on the Kurds years prior to our invasion, I'm sure the Kurds will be happy to hear that.



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21 Oct 2011, 5:36 pm

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Actually whilst I am at it Rush Limbaugh was complaining about the same thing at the same time that the Libyan Army was defeating the Gadhaffites in Sirte, about the USA being involved in word [sic] policing too much. Blatant hypocrite. Not to mention a straight up idiot. The man has no sense of competence, only his ideological leanings.


I'm pretty sure you meant to say "world policing", but yeah. Rush Limbaugh is an idiot and a hypocrite. That fact doesn't say much for those who quote him as an authority on anything either.


Please don't point out small typos. It's not very polite.


I'm sorry. You're right. It was obvious what was meant, and that it was a typo. I am sometimes rude and feel bad later when it is pointed out to me, especially since I agree with the posts of yours I've read today.


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21 Oct 2011, 5:36 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The LRA are a terrorist group but this is still one more conflict we don't need to stick our hand into. We're engaged in conflicts in how many countries now? 8? This is getting ridiculous. Obama is the ultimate neocon.

NO MORE NATION BUILDING NO MORE WORLD POLICE


Jacoby, Obama is pulling out of Iraq which we actually have a legit reason to be in, because we made the mess when we took out Saddam, the responsible thing is to clean up after ourselves rather than let Iran seize power, hell Iraq doesn't even have an airforce currently.


Obama isn't doing any of that. Troops are leaving Iraq because of the Status of Forces agreement that Bush signed back in 2008 and more so because Iraq announced that US soldiers will lose their legal immunity at the end of this year.

Legal immunity doesn't mean pulling out. And to be honest Obama has actually gotten things done.


Yeah and Iran is doing its best to destabilize Iraq.


Are you making a point? Then please state it.


Obama had plenty of chances to get the agreement renewed but he sent an idiot to be ambassador and made no effort to get the agreement renewed.

Also we want a government in there that doesn't hate us, we don't need Iran in there using the oil money from Iraq to finance more terrorist attacks, and I don't want to have to have troops going back there 10 years from now because we have to take out a homicidal lunatic all over again.


Obama's policy was to leave. Iraq didn't want convincing and wanted the USA out of there. I doubt Obama wanted to do any arm twisting. I think he took the deal that he wanted. Also you didn't 'have' to take out a homicidal lunatic last time because that isn't why you entered. You entered to find WMDs that your leader knew never existed.


So he used nonexistent WMDs on the Kurds years prior to our invasion, I'm sure the Kurds will be happy to hear that.


Don't get preachy with me Inuyasha. That isn't the reason the USA entered Iraq and you know it. The USA and UK went in for long-range missiles, not just poison and biological weapons. It would be like the Americans saying they declared war on Hitler for killing Jews when we all know that it was Pearl Harbour that set it off.



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21 Oct 2011, 6:28 pm

Anyway, if you read more of the transcript....

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RUSH: Here's Mike in Youngsville, North Carolina. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER: Rush, this is Mike. How you doing?

RUSH: Very well, sir. Thank you.

CALLER: Let me just say thank you so much for your dedication and teaching the principles and the truths of current events today, and I'm a longtime listener, first-time caller.

RUSH: Thank you, sir, very much. I sincerely appreciate it.


Don't you feel sorry for these deliberately misinformed listeners, who are grateful to Rush Limbaugh for his "dedication and teaching the principles and the truths of current events today?"

Really, people would be so much better off just listening to Public Radio.



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21 Oct 2011, 6:35 pm

Holy s**t that guy is stupid. The LRA want to establish a Christian theocratic state. Joseph Kony claims to receive visions from God. Much of the LRA consists of child soldiers who are kidnapped and forced to fight. Kony himself is a total madman. For a period of time early in the LRA history he was the main military planner and they did atrociously because of his tactical choices, including having men fight in cross shaped formations (wow...) and telling them holy water splashed on their chest grants them invincibility. Later we can assume he accepted advice from more sane men on how to conduct his campaign. In any case Kony is a madman who needs to be taken down and 100 military advisers hardly constitutes an "invasion".


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21 Oct 2011, 8:55 pm

Some more from that same caller:

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CALLER: Yeah. And, you know, Rush, I grew up, I was privileged and my parents sent me to a parochial school. And, you know, this ADD that they talk about, you know, people say ADD, ADD, everybody ADHD, whatever.

RUSH: Yeah.

CALLER: You know what I call that? ADD?

RUSH: Being a kid.

CALLER: Yeah. Absence of discipline disorder.

RUSH: Well.

CALLER: That's what it is.

RUSH: I like it.

CALLER: I had it when I was young. But the nuns beat it out of me in about two weeks, along with all the other kids that were unruly in the class. And we were taught to be obedient. We were taught to respect our elders. Rush, I went to high school when you did. I had to wear a suit coat and tie at a public school and have my hair cropped so it didn't go over the collar and didn't go over the ears, and these kids today, I've seen it for 30 years since I started having children of my own, and my wife and I would take our kids out to public restaurants and public places, and we made our children obey, we made them, they knew --


So, Fatso's audience is apparently made up largely of pathetic old geezers who were beaten as children, and want someone to tell them what to think, so that they can feel comforted. Probably the nuns beat this guy too severely when he was a boy. The beatings severely clouded his mental faculties.



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21 Oct 2011, 10:08 pm

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Then why didn't he do something to help the Iranian people when they were protesting?

Why is he ignoring the attrocities in Syria (considering the person controlling Syria is an enemy of the United States there would be a strategic reason)?


He is not ignoring either. You do not invade another country that have a deep military connection to Russia (or China). That is how Syria and North Korea stays alive. Once that support is gone, their leaders usually end up appearing on Liveleak... (<-- not for sensitive viewers).

The world is not some sort of strategy game that you can save and reload when things went bad - every action has consequences.


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I gather that you jokers didn't read the entire link.


Thats because normally when someone post a quote from a reactionary political extremist, that pretty much says everything you need to know about a person. My apologies.


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Wow so we're supporting at least one government that endorses slavery now...


No one is supporting Sudan or anyone else for that matter. Hunting down a bunch of international criminals wanted for genocide is not supporting one side or the other, it is taking out the trash.


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Great. so you want another Rwanda? Another Cambodia?


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21 Oct 2011, 10:14 pm

OK so if Obama was targeting christian s why not target the ones in America?



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22 Oct 2011, 12:27 am

To clarify some things:

The LRA is not an enemy of Sudan, and it is not fighting the Sudanese Muslims. It is an enemy of South Sudan, which is Christian. Museveni is Christian, not Muslim. The LRA have committed a whole lot of terrible atrocities, and kidnapped and raped and murdered thousands of people. They've even attacked churches and desecrated the Eucharist, so they're hardly "Christians" themselves. If fighting the LRA deserved even the slightest bit of controversy the bill to do it wouldn't have passed unanimously.



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22 Oct 2011, 2:20 pm

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OK so if Obama was targeting christian s why not target the ones in America?

Obama is a Christian. If Obama wanted to target people for being Christians then it would be like Turkeys voting for Christmas. The Lord's Resistance Army is Christian in the same way that Hezbollah is Islamic. Basically they're psychopaths.



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22 Oct 2011, 3:12 pm

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OK so if Obama was targeting christian s why not target the ones in America?

Obama is a Christian. If Obama wanted to target people for being Christians then it would be like Turkeys voting for Christmas. The Lord's Resistance Army is Christian in the same way that Hezbollah is Islamic. Basically they're psychopaths.

Obama acts Christian when it suits him and sucks up to Muslims when it suits him, but he has no room for any other deity in his life but himself.


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22 Oct 2011, 3:14 pm

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OK so if Obama was targeting christian s why not target the ones in America?

Obama is a Christian. If Obama wanted to target people for being Christians then it would be like Turkeys voting for Christmas. The Lord's Resistance Army is Christian in the same way that Hezbollah is Islamic. Basically they're psychopaths.

Obama acts Christian when it suits him and sucks up to Muslims when it suits him, but he has no room for any other deity in his life but himself.


I support this statement.



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22 Oct 2011, 3:47 pm

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OK so if Obama was targeting christian s why not target the ones in America?

Obama is a Christian. If Obama wanted to target people for being Christians then it would be like Turkeys voting for Christmas. The Lord's Resistance Army is Christian in the same way that Hezbollah is Islamic. Basically they're psychopaths.

Obama acts Christian when it suits him and sucks up to Muslims when it suits him, but he has no room for any other deity in his life but himself.

This is just another blastedly evil attack on Obama for no reason. Again it implies all sorts of things that are only true in the minds of deluded fools who want to attack Obama for no reason except self satisfaction.



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22 Oct 2011, 3:57 pm

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Obama acts Christian when it suits him and sucks up to Muslims when it suits him, but he has no room for any other deity in his life but himself.

This is just another blastedly evil attack on Obama for no reason. Again it implies all sorts of things that are only true in the minds of deluded fools who want to attack Obama for no reason except self satisfaction.

It's called narcissistic behavior, which Obama has a long history of exhibiting. Obama did not send military advisers to Uganda for any form of religious persecution because Obama serves no god but himself.


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22 Oct 2011, 4:09 pm

Their are more muslims living in Uganda then christians.