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laylasmith
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02 Apr 2012, 5:22 pm

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Science does not answer every question. But it continues to work on the unknown questions. I like the fact that the current body of knowledge is subject to change if new evidence is found. Religions tend to start with a set of beliefs and do everything possible to justify those beliefs in the face of new evidence.


But i don't believe that religion and science should be apart. God gave us science in my opinion so they go together. And in Islam there is nothing saying that we can not accept science, because all of the mysteries of our world were created by God.


Science says that men and women are equal. Islam says they are not.


In Islam men and women are equal in religion. In life men and women have a place. In islam men have to provide for women, have to care for them, all of their money goes to them or if he can't get a job he would stay home and wife would work or whatever. now a women has the choice she can stay home and raise a family or she can go out and get a job and keep all of the money to herself or she can give it to her family, its her choice. Not everything is set in stone and in the countries where women are oppressed and treated horrible they would have to face God in the end. If i could stop it i would.

They don't have the same rights but they balance each other out, in a good way. Now i'm not saying bad men can't abuse that but that happens everywhere and bad men don't need a religion to be bad.

Those people will be judged by God.

Edit: and in Islam women are considered very important, there is even a saying about how heaven is at your mothers feet. And something about how the mother is so much more important than the father but the father is important just not as much.



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02 Apr 2012, 5:23 pm

I believe in a god. Don't have a religion though. I just believe there's at least one.



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02 Apr 2012, 5:27 pm

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I believe in a god. Don't have a religion though. I just believe there's at least one.


That is how i started out :) But it changed a lot lol



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02 Apr 2012, 5:29 pm

laylasmith wrote:
abacacus wrote:
laylasmith wrote:
Rocky wrote:

Science does not answer every question. But it continues to work on the unknown questions. I like the fact that the current body of knowledge is subject to change if new evidence is found. Religions tend to start with a set of beliefs and do everything possible to justify those beliefs in the face of new evidence.


But i don't believe that religion and science should be apart. God gave us science in my opinion so they go together. And in Islam there is nothing saying that we can not accept science, because all of the mysteries of our world were created by God.


Science says that men and women are equal. Islam says they are not.


In Islam men and women are equal in religion. In life men and women have a place. In islam men have to provide for women, have to care for them, all of their money goes to them or if he can't get a job he would stay home and wife would work or whatever. now a women has the choice she can stay home and raise a family or she can go out and get a job and keep all of the money to herself or she can give it to her family, its her choice. Not everything is set in stone and in the countries where women are oppressed and treated horrible they would have to face God in the end. If i could stop it i would.

They don't have the same rights but they balance each other out, in a good way. Now i'm not saying bad men can't abuse that but that happens everywhere and bad men don't need a religion to be bad.

Those people will be judged by God.

Edit: and in Islam women are considered very important, there is even a saying about how heaven is at your mothers feet. And something about how the mother is so much more important than the father but the father is important just not as much.


Martin Luther had once said something to the affect of, "The highest office in Christendom is not Pope, or priest, or king, but mother."

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02 Apr 2012, 5:30 pm

laylasmith wrote:
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I believe in a god. Don't have a religion though. I just believe there's at least one.


That is how i started out :) But it changed a lot lol


I started out Christian, turned agnostic, then veered to Deism. And I've been here for a few years now. It's comfortable enough.



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02 Apr 2012, 5:34 pm

AdjustedSanity wrote:
laylasmith wrote:
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I believe in a god. Don't have a religion though. I just believe there's at least one.


That is how i started out :) But it changed a lot lol


I started out Christian, turned agnostic, then veered to Deism. And I've been here for a few years now. It's comfortable enough.


That's what the Cylons did!



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02 Apr 2012, 5:42 pm

AdjustedSanity wrote:
laylasmith wrote:
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I believe in a god. Don't have a religion though. I just believe there's at least one.


That is how i started out :) But it changed a lot lol


I started out Christian, turned agnostic, then veered to Deism. And I've been here for a few years now. It's comfortable enough.

Yeah i was christian, then wiccan, then i believed in a male and female god, then i believed in one father like god, and now i believe in One God :D



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02 Apr 2012, 7:25 pm

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The simple reason why i converted was that it made sense to me. All of it does and if i find something that doesn't seem to make sense it always does in the end.

I am actually not part of a mosque at the moment because i can't get a hold of anyone at my local islamic center, but it is just as good to practice by yourself.

I have heard of sharia law of course but i don't know everything that it includes but as long as they give proof and it makes sense i don't have a problem with it.

For a women to cover her hair it shows modesty, it shows she is more concerned about what God tells her to do than what others think of her. But it is not just her hair she covers it is all of her body except her face and hands.Everything else is covered except in front of women or close male relatives. It is so she is more protected, and people don't judge by her body only her mind.

I don't wear one yet but i plan on doing it soon :). It is my belief that covering is something you have to do but it should not be forced on a women, she should do it when she is ready and God will judge what her intentions were.


I'm glad you could make something positive of it, I can't blame you for not wanting to be objectified. I can't say I approve of a law that makes modesty mandatory though.

The Muslim men I've seen are covered from the neck down in white man dresses (our catchy nickname). Personal space in that part of the world is different from our concept of it, men holding hands is a common sight over there.

Do you plan on visiting any Muslim countries, or are you content practicing your faith where you live? I never once asked a Muslim man about his faith when I was around them, we were advised to steer clear of the subject in order to keep the peace.



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02 Apr 2012, 8:45 pm

laylasmith wrote:

In Islam men and women are equal in religion. In life men and women have a place. In islam men have to provide for women, have to care for them, all of their money goes to them or if he can't get a job he would stay home and wife would work or whatever. now a women has the choice she can stay home and raise a family or she can go out and get a job and keep all of the money to herself or she can give it to her family, its her choice. Not everything is set in stone and in the countries where women are oppressed and treated horrible they would have to face God in the end. If i could stop it i would.

They don't have the same rights but they balance each other out, in a good way. Now i'm not saying bad men can't abuse that but that happens everywhere and bad men don't need a religion to be bad.

Those people will be judged by God.

Edit: and in Islam women are considered very important, there is even a saying about how heaven is at your mothers feet. And something about how the mother is so much more important than the father but the father is important just not as much.


Why don't we take a small look see in to how different the genders positions are in life:

Womens testimony in court counts for half of a mans testimony (Sura 2:282).

If a woman does not do exactly as a man says, she should be beaten (Sura 4:34)

Women are discouraged to decline sex (Sura 2:223)

Women get a half share of any inheritance (Sura 4:11)

Equality in religion is meaningless. Equality in life is what you will actually experience. In Islam, you are property.


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03 Apr 2012, 12:32 am

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Science says that men and women are equal. Islam says they are not.

All religions say women and men are different, because they were created at a time when the difference between both sexes was economically useful (unlike now).

The last time I read the Ancient Testament, "equal rights" was not a very important theme.



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03 Apr 2012, 1:40 am

Religion has never been important to me, nor has asserting my non-religiousness been, or what other people believe.

I'm actively assembling a worldview based-on what I absorb and evaluate from my surroundings, from classic novels, from comparing ideas etc. My intuition and emotions are factors, as is stepping away from them, looking at situations objectively, and deferring to others when I have reason to believe they know more than I do concerning an issue.

I don't buy into the laws or regulations I inherit at face value, but question all of them, according to the logic I have arrived at, and wait for the people and experiences that will cause my worldview to shift. I love resonance and catharsis.

My bibles nowadays are Leaves of Grass, by Walt Whitman, Winesburg, Ohio, by Sherwood Anderson, Bambi, by Felix Salten, and continually asking myself the question: "What's worth doing?"

It amounts to a kind of pretty existentialism. I really like nature, changing seasons, Pokemon etc.



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03 Apr 2012, 7:16 am

I'm not sure how to qualify my beliefs. They are more like strong suspicions than beliefs anyway.

Something to the effect of all of existence, from time immemorial to the end of time is one giant chain of events, and it is all simultaneous and instantaneous in that it is one event. Because we are within the event we perceive it in a linear fashion, but to something outside it it would be a singularity event. This event, what we call our universe, from the beginning to the end is just one thing, one long string of continuous events that are all interlinked and if someone wanted to name it, they could call it god, but I think any other number of other names would probably suit it better.

But that's just a suspicion, really. And I'm generally anti-theist to boot. I take the stance that formal religious institutions and dogmas are the enemy of free thought and healthy cognition. That morality is fully independent from religion, and the whole concept of churches and congregations is a ploy of some people to gain money from, influence with, and political power over others.

So I'm anti-dogma too.



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03 Apr 2012, 8:36 am

laylasmith wrote:
Rocky wrote:

Science does not answer every question. But it continues to work on the unknown questions. I like the fact that the current body of knowledge is subject to change if new evidence is found. Religions tend to start with a set of beliefs and do everything possible to justify those beliefs in the face of new evidence.


But i don't believe that religion and science should be apart. God gave us science in my opinion so they go together. And in Islam there is nothing saying that we can not accept science, because all of the mysteries of our world were created by God.


It is interesting that undergraduate Muslim biology students exclude themselves from science classes, such as evolution, where your religious beliefs are found to be in direct contradiction with the facts.


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03 Apr 2012, 9:14 am

Agnostic, I don't know if there is/isn't a god, or if the big bang is true or if the multiverse is true, but I'm perfectly content with not knowing for sure.



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03 Apr 2012, 12:02 pm

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Funny it's only women who have to mummify themselves to be modest.


But its not only women, men have a dress code too. Of course it is different than a womens but that is because men and women are different physically.

Men cover from there knees to there belly button.

Maybe it doesn't seem fair but women are treated as something very very very beautiful, more important and more beautiful than men. With out women, we wouldn't have life.

And it gives a women freedom from being judged by her looks, instead of her brains.

Plus she can dress in any color or style she wants, its not like she doesn't get to choose what she wears. And she doesn't have to cover in her home.


:lmao:


Oh the sheer hedonism of it! :lol: I wonder if she gets to eat or breathe or do any of the other things that most of us take for granted?


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03 Apr 2012, 1:22 pm

enrico_dandolo wrote:
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Science says that men and women are equal. Islam says they are not.

All religions say women and men are different, because they were created at a time when the difference between both sexes was economically useful (unlike now).

The last time I read the Ancient Testament, "equal rights" was not a very important theme.


True. Most older religions make a point of explaining that women are mens property however... which is hardly something that can be explained as "economically useful".


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