The other side of the Trayvon Martin story...

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What makes you think that I said Zimmerman should be denied a fair trial? It is my opinion that he's guilty but I find it very telling that you're acting so butthurt by what I said.

COOL STORY, BRO!

How does it feel that your beloved folk hero just got busted? Zimmerman was lying through his teeth to the media about what REALLY happened. Funny how pictures of him afterwards show no sign of head injuries or any sort of physical trauma consistent with the assault he claims was inflicted upon him by Trayvon. As much as I believe in self-defense and SYG, this chump was doing neither of the sort. Also, you really don't seem to know much about this guy do you? He already has a criminal record and a history of getting physically out of control. Call it character assassination, but the truth about this man and who he really is has finally come out. He's far from the upstanding citizen that american conservatives have tried so hard to make him out to be. You can hope that he gets off, but that is highly unlikely. Man, I'm sure that his butt cheeks are clenched real tight now considering all the brothas in there who are itching for his behind.

Here you go Tadzio, since your selective understanding of idioms seems to still be troubling you so much, go ahead and fill this out and submit it:

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I'm sure people will take your claims far more seriously if put into this form.

I agree with Stand Your Ground laws. It's about time somebody recognized that people should not be punished for defending themselves and fighting back. If someone comes up to you and wants to beat the crap out of you, you can fight back and not have to go to jail. Sounds like an awesome law to me. It protects the vulnerable and maybe bullies will think twice about coming up with their fists if they know such a law exists and they can get seriously injured or killed and the person defending themself will not face any penalties. It should be like that in schools, too. The person who tries to avoid the fight at all costs should never face punishment for simply standing their ground when under a threat.

Did I say the NRA was not behind anything? What I said was "what does it matter?". See, I tend to evaluate ideas independently of their source and partisan alignment; I don't care who came up with the idea, only whether or not it's a good one. You on the other hand, seem to think that the mere presence of the NRA somehow "taints" the idea, though the exact mechanism you seem to be imagining is illusive to me.

Also, I can change reality with my words; it's called persuasion, lobbying and activism. Here though, I'm just having fun.



Can you not tell the difference between ignoring something and disputing it? For a guy who keeps insisting that none of this means anything, you're sure being stubborn about playing out your (willful?) misunderstanding of self defense law (see my handy posts explaining it all in both TM threads).



Who said anything about "special rights"? I asked you if you thought that people wrongfully prosecuted over self defense incidents should have to pay their own legal fees or be reimbursed by the state, and you said yes. I asked if you really meant that using plainer language, and you deflect with this "special rights" distraction. SYG and other self defense shield laws are universally applicable, no one is getting anything anyone else isn't and that kind of kills your idea of "special" right there.

Hmm, "special rights" that apply to everyone? Sounds an awful lot like the conservative objection to gay marriage, doesn't it?



Indeed, and apparently yours really does include a rush to satisfy emotions before the facts are in, as I've given you multiple chances to clarify and all. And (yet) again, I've never disputed that the NRA has been involved in pushing for liberalized gun laws and self defense related legislation, it's sorta what they do. The point is that I. Don't. Care. CATO could propose some stupid idea tomorrow and it would still be a stupid idea even though it came from people I tend to like and agree with, while the KKK could come up with a great idea that wouldn't be made any less great by it's odious originator. Maybe in your world an idea's merit is partially derived from who came up with it, but it isn't in mine.



*sighs* Where to start... Now if I said I was "playing with my guns" I'd have people down my throat about how I'm not treating deadly weapons seriously, but when I take them seriously I get the likes of you telling me I've got some sort of Rambo complex. Maybe you should accept that you clearly know nothing about guns and that you know less than nothing about me personally and what I happen to do with them.

I'm a gunsmith, friendo, Colorado School of Trades class of 2004, which makes me a professional when it comes to firearms and their handling, and much of what I do with them is fix and tune them, in addition to my own sport shooting and habitual carry.

I don't harbor any ideas about the British monarchy getting in my face, but I do take responsibility for my own security and that of my family, a responsibility I take very seriously. I don't roam the neighborhood looking for trouble, I don't try and put myself in dangerous situations, but I do know that if one of those situations should find me that I'm equipped and prepared to give myself the best chance of coming out OK.

I think I adequately addressed your "special rights" red herring above, but feel free to peruse the excellent David Kopel piece I'm posting to this and the other thread, *just for you*.



Evidently *you* aren't likely to do any productive research period, so I guess I should just lower my expectations when "debating" with you and think of it more as a Larry King softball questions sort of experience.

As to the rest, you seem to be missing the entire "is there actually something to prosecute here?" boat. If there is something to prosecute, the law will not get in the way (read that David Kopel), and if there's nothing there, then I'm glad they can't try to slap a charge on someone just to please the media and the horde.

Also, if you're going to employ the "why are you typing so much/it won't change anything" tactic, you need to shut up yourself or it doesn't have the same impact. Don't worry, we've got the thread covered without your... contributions.