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05 May 2012, 1:53 pm

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Even if some form appeared before us and said "I am god" that would still not be proof that there is a god.


True but if it was in fact a God you would still not believe in him.


If it could be prooved then I would. But how could it be prooved?


I don't have the answer to that question it can't be prooved but if it could you still would not follow his/her laws of will.



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05 May 2012, 2:59 pm

There are two proofs for God: One is little and the other is none.

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05 May 2012, 3:04 pm

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There are two proofs for God: One is little and the other is none.

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That made since in a way a little bit of proof is better then none at all.



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05 May 2012, 5:41 pm

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Did you find anything in the scriptures about God doing things without leaving physical proof of his work?

I think that's my cognitive dissonance, a lot of the biblical miracles had physical consequence (going by the text), as opposed to the much looser way 'miracle' is used today.


Their is proof that a fire did destroy the city Sodom and Gomorrah.


Link please



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05 May 2012, 10:09 pm

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Did you find anything in the scriptures about God doing things without leaving physical proof of his work?

I think that's my cognitive dissonance, a lot of the biblical miracles had physical consequence (going by the text), as opposed to the much looser way 'miracle' is used today.


Their is proof that a fire did destroy the city Sodom and Gomorrah.


Link please


While I do not have a link you can look it up on the history Channel and watch it for youself :wink:



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06 May 2012, 1:57 am

Such a machine would only show the pre-death dreams of the person experiencing death. Once their brain stopped working, the dreams would end.

What would be more interesting would be if the dreams in that situation showed a different religion's afterlife than their own. Or if two people died at the same time and the machines showed that they both experienced the exact same thing, assuming the visions were not overly vague and typical. This would require two machines running at the same time.



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06 May 2012, 8:47 am

Joker wrote:
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If it could be prooved then I would. But how could it be prooved?


If you thought such an absolute proof couldn't exist you have lots of company. The whole of history, science and religion presume as much, which is really nothing more than license to endlessly speculate. But it looks as if history has tired of such endless nonsense!

The first wholly new interpretation for two thousand years of the moral teachings of Christ is published on the web. Radically different from anything else we know of from history, this new teaching is predicated upon PROOF, a precise, predefined and predictable experience and called 'the first Resurrection' in the sense that when ever one enters into the discipline of serious learning, that person 'raises' themselves up to a condition greater than what existed before. So it is with God!

The Resurrection of Jesus was intended to demonstrate Gods' willingness to real Himself and intervene directly into the natural world for those obedient to His will, paving the way for access, by faith, to the power of divine transcendence. Ultimate proof!

Thus 'faith' becomes an act of trust in action, to search and discover this direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power that confirms divine will, law, command and covenant, which at the same time, realigns our moral compass with the Divine, "correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries." So like it or no, a new religious teaching, testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment criteria of evidence based causation and definitive proof now exists. Nothing short of an intellectual, moral and religious revolution is getting under way.



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06 May 2012, 7:12 pm

kla2 wrote:
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If it could be prooved then I would. But how could it be prooved?


If you thought such an absolute proof couldn't exist you have lots of company. The whole of history, science and religion presume as much, which is really nothing more than license to endlessly speculate. But it looks as if history has tired of such endless nonsense!

The first wholly new interpretation for two thousand years of the moral teachings of Christ is published on the web. Radically different from anything else we know of from history, this new teaching is predicated upon PROOF, a precise, predefined and predictable experience and called 'the first Resurrection' in the sense that when ever one enters into the discipline of serious learning, that person 'raises' themselves up to a condition greater than what existed before. So it is with God!

The Resurrection of Jesus was intended to demonstrate Gods' willingness to real Himself and intervene directly into the natural world for those obedient to His will, paving the way for access, by faith, to the power of divine transcendence. Ultimate proof!

Thus 'faith' becomes an act of trust in action, to search and discover this direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power that confirms divine will, law, command and covenant, which at the same time, realigns our moral compass with the Divine, "correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries." So like it or no, a new religious teaching, testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment criteria of evidence based causation and definitive proof now exists. Nothing short of an intellectual, moral and religious revolution is getting under way.


A priori nonsense.
Circular argument.
Nothing new here.
Yawn.



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06 May 2012, 7:30 pm

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kla2 wrote:
Joker wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:

If it could be prooved then I would. But how could it be prooved?


If you thought such an absolute proof couldn't exist you have lots of company. The whole of history, science and religion presume as much, which is really nothing more than license to endlessly speculate. But it looks as if history has tired of such endless nonsense!

The first wholly new interpretation for two thousand years of the moral teachings of Christ is published on the web. Radically different from anything else we know of from history, this new teaching is predicated upon PROOF, a precise, predefined and predictable experience and called 'the first Resurrection' in the sense that when ever one enters into the discipline of serious learning, that person 'raises' themselves up to a condition greater than what existed before. So it is with God!

The Resurrection of Jesus was intended to demonstrate Gods' willingness to real Himself and intervene directly into the natural world for those obedient to His will, paving the way for access, by faith, to the power of divine transcendence. Ultimate proof!

Thus 'faith' becomes an act of trust in action, to search and discover this direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power that confirms divine will, law, command and covenant, which at the same time, realigns our moral compass with the Divine, "correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries." So like it or no, a new religious teaching, testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment criteria of evidence based causation and definitive proof now exists. Nothing short of an intellectual, moral and religious revolution is getting under way.


A priori nonsense.
Circular argument.
Nothing new here.
Yawn.


What does priori mean?



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06 May 2012, 8:30 pm

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What does priori mean?


Based on or derived from axiomatic self evident principles.

Rationalists believe that all knowledge can be derived from such principles and experience is not necessary. This attitude goes all the way back to Plato.

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06 May 2012, 8:32 pm

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What does priori mean?


Based on or derived from axiomatic self evident principles.

Rationalists believe that all knowledge can be derived from such principles and experience is not necessary. This attitude goes all the way back to Plato.

ruveyn


Thank you ruveyn I learned a new word today and the meaning of it :)



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06 May 2012, 8:36 pm

Becareful as well - its a part-in-parcel phrase 'a priori', not a/an priori. If you start talking off the cuff about those pesky prioris it'll fall flat.


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06 May 2012, 8:57 pm

Joker wrote:
slave wrote:
kla2 wrote:
Joker wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:

If it could be prooved then I would. But how could it be prooved?


If you thought such an absolute proof couldn't exist you have lots of company. The whole of history, science and religion presume as much, which is really nothing more than license to endlessly speculate. But it looks as if history has tired of such endless nonsense!

The first wholly new interpretation for two thousand years of the moral teachings of Christ is published on the web. Radically different from anything else we know of from history, this new teaching is predicated upon PROOF, a precise, predefined and predictable experience and called 'the first Resurrection' in the sense that when ever one enters into the discipline of serious learning, that person 'raises' themselves up to a condition greater than what existed before. So it is with God!

The Resurrection of Jesus was intended to demonstrate Gods' willingness to real Himself and intervene directly into the natural world for those obedient to His will, paving the way for access, by faith, to the power of divine transcendence. Ultimate proof!

Thus 'faith' becomes an act of trust in action, to search and discover this direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power that confirms divine will, law, command and covenant, which at the same time, realigns our moral compass with the Divine, "correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries." So like it or no, a new religious teaching, testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment criteria of evidence based causation and definitive proof now exists. Nothing short of an intellectual, moral and religious revolution is getting under way.


A priori nonsense.
Circular argument.
Nothing new here.
Yawn.


What does priori mean?


Google "a priori"



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06 May 2012, 8:59 pm

slave wrote:
Joker wrote:
slave wrote:
kla2 wrote:
Joker wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:

If it could be prooved then I would. But how could it be prooved?


If you thought such an absolute proof couldn't exist you have lots of company. The whole of history, science and religion presume as much, which is really nothing more than license to endlessly speculate. But it looks as if history has tired of such endless nonsense!

The first wholly new interpretation for two thousand years of the moral teachings of Christ is published on the web. Radically different from anything else we know of from history, this new teaching is predicated upon PROOF, a precise, predefined and predictable experience and called 'the first Resurrection' in the sense that when ever one enters into the discipline of serious learning, that person 'raises' themselves up to a condition greater than what existed before. So it is with God!

The Resurrection of Jesus was intended to demonstrate Gods' willingness to real Himself and intervene directly into the natural world for those obedient to His will, paving the way for access, by faith, to the power of divine transcendence. Ultimate proof!

Thus 'faith' becomes an act of trust in action, to search and discover this direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power that confirms divine will, law, command and covenant, which at the same time, realigns our moral compass with the Divine, "correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries." So like it or no, a new religious teaching, testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment criteria of evidence based causation and definitive proof now exists. Nothing short of an intellectual, moral and religious revolution is getting under way.


A priori nonsense.
Circular argument.
Nothing new here.
Yawn.


What does priori mean?


Google "a priori"


Go back a page some one already answered the question.



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07 May 2012, 5:56 am

slave wrote:
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A priori nonsense.
Circular argument.
Nothing new here.
Yawn.


"Minds are like parachutes, they only work when their open"

What you mean is that you lack both the intellectual integrity or moral courage to investigate further and test it for yourself! No matter to me as I already have and it is and does exactly what it claims to do. Closed minds are a tragedy. Too bad really!



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07 May 2012, 12:33 pm

kla2 wrote:
slave wrote:
kla2 wrote:
Joker wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:

A priori nonsense.
Circular argument.
Nothing new here.
Yawn.


"Minds are like parachutes, they only work when their open"

What you mean is that you lack both the intellectual integrity or moral courage to investigate further and test it for yourself! No matter to me as I already have and it is and does exactly what it claims to do. Closed minds are a tragedy. Too bad really!


Excellent :wink: