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I'll say what I always say to you when you come out with ludicrous statements like that.

Prove it.

With links.

Why? All your gonna do is attack the credibility of any link I post. The evidence is in history and all around you, you just have to be willing to accept it. It's happened in many other countries throughout history pretty much the same ways it's happening now. And I mean literally step for step. It's no secret that the Bush and Bin Laden families go way way back in the very oil indusrty that made both Bush and BinLaden billion-aires. Not to mention Bush's ties to the royal family of saudi arabia. Given that Big Oil refused to even swear an oath before the hearing in the white house, which I might ad is very unconstitutional. Then look at the Patriot Act. Look at the fact that they placed a former nazi officer on the Vatican throne. How businesses are profitting by oppressing the masses, dude it all plays into the big picture.
Bush had a hand in 9/11, it did several things for his attempt to establish a police state. It gave him an axcuse to highten security and send our nation to war, trumping his status up as a wartime president and it gave him the ability to demonize anyone who didn't agree with him as "unamerican" (Ironically I thought that its supposed to be our RIGHT to disagree). Enter the Patriot Act, which literally destroyed half of our constitutional bearings, the obvious integration of church into state (and I can back that up, it's not that hard, it's a proccess called not purposely being oblivious in order to call myself by a label). Look at the pyramid with the eye on the back of the dollar bill, it's the seal of the illuminati. I mean proof is all around you, in the newspapers, on television, the economy and the direction it's currently heading.
There's no point in me offering a link though because no matter what all your gonna do is trash the source.

Of coarse we have sci-fi to brainwash people into thinking "hey we're americans so history has no bearing on us, it happened to others but hey, I <john doe> live here, in this place, at this time, and the universe revolves around me".
Kinda like we have Mtv to dummy down todays young generation and make them into apathetic mindless consumeristic zombies.
Look at companies like Nike and Wal-Mart, producing goods through over-seas sweatshops. Counselors who exagerate symptoms of random illnesses or even make up new illnesses just to sell a pill so that counselors and pharmecuetical companies may profit. Hell look at the Autism Society, which claims to be the "voice of autism" but is almost entirely ran by NTs. Individuals are loosing our rights to corporations.

Think for a moment how man is enslaved by tribalistic genetically-induced behavior, how we're sociologically geared towards dominance and heirarchy. Think about the selfishness, ignorance, hostility, hatred, and insecurity bred into the human gene pool. Then tell me that this is impossible, heh.

Yes, I'm going to trash the source of anything that says the pyramid with the eye on the back of the dollar bill is proof of a conspiracy. If there was a conspiracy of the power that you believe, then they wouldn't be so stupid as to leave proof of the conspiracy lying around for people to find.

See, your beliefs in the Conspiracy are identical to fanatical religious belief. There's really nothing there except a bunch of coincidences, and some unanswered questions where you managed to fill in the blanks in a convenient way.

It's like the guy who was claiming that the video where binLaden took credit for 9/11 was fake because binLaden was wearing a gold ring in the video and Muslims aren't allowed to wear gold. I'm pretty sure Muslims aren't allowed to murder 3000+ innocent people either, but since his religion didn't stop binLaden from doing that, why would it stop him from doing the other? Just like it didn't stop Khalid Sheik Mohammad from visiting strip clubs all over the place.

I'm not trying to dump on freedom of speech or even in your belief that this is the way it was, but you're calling facts in the exact same way that the Bible thumpers and Jerka-Jihaders call facts.

Actually no I'm not. I've seen plenty of evident proof around me, logical evidence. As for the dollar bill thing, why should they worry if they've got the rest of the public brainwashed enough so that no matter what evidence they see, they'll discount it anyways? It's just a way of stroking their egos.
As I said, people are loosing rights to corporations and businesses. A nation/government is a business, competing with other businesses. However many of those businesses operate under a common mother business (UN, who works for the Vatican). Now take a look at all the human right abuses commiitted at the hands of the UN "peacekeepers".
I mean like I said though, people are a tribalistic species, nearly every form of government has been oppressive in some way or another to the people, the collision between communism and capitolism being a prime example.
I've been following this long before Bush stole office. I knew of all this during Clinton's 1st term. It's not an anti-republican thing neccessarily, sub-divisions only keep people away from the truth.

Ok, I'll make you a bet, Hillary Clinton will be next president. We can discuss wagers, and I'm usually not a betting man (this tells you how sure I am of this). We can mutually discuss a wager, I'll bet on it Hillary Clinton will be the next president. It has nothing to do with who people vote for, it has to do with who the NWO wants in office. nations are businesses.

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It's easy enough to see that Barclays of London and State Street Corp of Boston own good chunks of most major corperations and are most likely investment fronts for the robber barons, blue bloods and royal familes of europe & persia

You all need to concentrate on more important things like who will be the winner on survivor this season and stick to pursuing cheap thrills and the legal tender so you can buy more consumer garbage.

It is shocking to see DVD's for $15.99 at wal-mart and to think there are lots of really stupid people who do pay that much for them. I wouldn't pay $1.99 for some lame hollyweirdo nonsense.

The morons on the planet are scary creatures.
The nut jobs on the internet seem even more nuts. They have an opinion and nothing anyone posts could change it.

I feel like I'm stuck in some sicko Episode of The Twilight Zone and these people can't be for real.

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It's easy enough to see that Barclays of London and State Street Corp of Boston own good chunks of most major corperations and are most likely investment fronts for the robber barons, blue bloods and royal familes of europe & persia

You all need to concentrate on more important things like who will be the winner on survivor this season and stick to pursuing cheap thrills and the legal tender so you can buy more consumer garbage.

It is shocking to see DVD's for $15.99 at wal-mart and to think there are lots of really stupid people who do pay that much for them. I wouldn't pay $1.99 for some lame hollyweirdo nonsense.

The morons on the planet are scary creatures.
The nut jobs on the internet seem even more nuts. They have an opinion and nothing anyone posts could change it.

I feel like I'm stuck in some sicko Episode of The Twilight Zone and these people can't be for real.

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It's easy enough to see that Barclays of London and State Street Corp of Boston own good chunks of most major corperations and are most likely investment fronts for the robber barons, blue bloods and royal familes of europe & persia

You all need to concentrate on more important things like who will be the winner on survivor this season and stick to pursuing cheap thrills and the legal tender so you can buy more consumer garbage.

It is shocking to see DVD's for $15.99 at wal-mart and to think there are lots of really stupid people who do pay that much for them. I wouldn't pay $1.99 for some lame hollyweirdo nonsense.

The morons on the planet are scary creatures.
The nut jobs on the internet seem even more nuts. They have an opinion and nothing anyone posts could change it.

I feel like I'm stuck in some sicko Episode of The Twilight Zone and these people can't be for real.

Hey, cool, the investment company I use has some control in those companies too!

Yeah, there is a group of wealthy bloodlines that run all the banking firms and finance or fund all the other organizations. Look for names like Rockefeller, Ford, Kissinger, Bush, Carlyle, Carnegie, etc. The legal businesses that these people run, such as GM, Wal-Mart, and look at their business practices. The ILLEGAL businesses such as mafias and drug cartles, and then governments and international political organizations. They basically run everything through their money, it's like a web of oppressive businesses but those at the top remain in the shadows.

I'm a Republican but I'm not all that religious, in fact, I hate organized religion.

Well yeah, I'm not saying there aren't a few exceptions here and there, such as yourself, but for the most part the republicans who are in power are dominionist so-called "christians". Most liberals are pc fanatics. There IS an absolute truth, which is based on balance, the bane of true peace and equality. But I think one needs to break free from thinking inside any boxes to find it. No ideology, be it religion, political, or whatever, is 100% right or wrong. Labels will only hold one back from the absolute truth.... A good place to start is by reading up on Madame Blavatsky's "Secret Doctrine", read theological studies, bible, koran, kabbala, vedas, anicent norse sagas and greco-roman, and egyptian pagan mythologies, and buddhist scriptires. Also read alot on science, eugenics, sociology, evolution, psychology, mathematics, physics, and alchemy. Those seem like the best places to begin.

The goal for me has been to obtain the universal mind, this was long before i even stumbled into the Secret Doctrine.

The Carlyle group...
They have shares in defense research companies in numerous countries ( including both UK & US).
The bin Laden family are also major players in the Carlye East conglomerate.

Look into the privatisation of UK's defence research agency Qinetiq.
The Carlyle group (including Bush, bin Laden, ex UKPM John Major + others) made millions overnight.
The whole affair stank; there was nothing in the press. It should have been a major scandal.