If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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05 Nov 2012, 1:08 pm

The problem is that abortion is a woman's rights issue.

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05 Nov 2012, 2:45 pm

Its better to have an abortion than a dumpster baby.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRj-S8Aklcw&feature=related[/youtube]

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05 Nov 2012, 3:48 pm

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You're calling abortion "sick" "sad" and "killing" the first two are emotional, the third got taken way out of context.

The first two are adjectives that describe abortion the way I see it. The third describes what abortion actually is. Abortion is killing an unborn child. If you don't even realise that, you're deep in denial. That's what abortion actually is. Killing. How can the word killing be out of context on an abortion thread?

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If you go back and read what you wrote, you imply that the parent actually kills their kid long after it was born.

Sure you're entitled to that opinion, but other people are entitled to disagree.

Yes, I know. It wasn't me who made the original comparison. It was somebody else. Somebody else was comparing chosing clothes and food for their (already born) children to the act of killing their unborn child. I was merely writing an imaginary conversation down, to illustrate how ludicrous their comparison actually was. The comparison wasn't mine, and like I said, I think it was a very sick comparison to make.

I am sure that loving parents the world over would agree with me that it's sick to compare them chosing food and clothes for their much-loved children to the choice that somebody makes to kill an unborn baby. I was trying to point out that the choice to kill somebody cannot be compared with the choice of what clothes your children are going to wear on any particular day - the former being the huge choice to murder a child you don't want, and the latter being the minor choice to decide about something trivial concerning a child that you love, and do want. Therefore, I think comparing the two things is sick, and I think the person who came up with the comparison is just grasping at random, irrelevant straws to try and justify killing unborn babies.

First bolded part: An emotional argument that has no business being considered in a debate. Quite frankly, nobody cares.

Second bolded part: Sure. For the sake of this post, and this post alone, I'll grant you that. Now explain why anyone should care.

Third bolded part: Sure it can. One decision is more major (whether or not you want to carry the pregnancy to term), but both are still decisions one makes for the child.

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05 Nov 2012, 3:48 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:

Its better to have an abortion than a dumpster baby.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRj-S8Aklcw&feature=related[/youtube]

Ever hear of putting the kid up for adoption...

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05 Nov 2012, 3:51 pm

I am a pro-life Christian. Abortion is most often not what the rape victim wants, oddly enough, and is very traumatic for the mother. Rape is already traumatic without adding abortion on top of it. Adoption is a better alternative. The government has decided that the death penalty is "cruel and unusual punishment" for a rapist. If it's not allowed to kill the evil rapist, why should it be allowed to kill the innocent child? If someone has to die, it should be the rapist.
Also, since some rape victims who become pregnant choose to keep the baby, I strongly believe that there should be a law preventing the rapist for claiming paternity rights - apparently it can happen and that is so horrible!

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05 Nov 2012, 3:56 pm

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Also, since some rape victims who become pregnant choose to keep the baby, I strongly believe that there should be a law preventing the rapist for claiming paternity rights - apparently it can happen and that is so horrible!

Now that I can whole-heartedly agree with.

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05 Nov 2012, 4:05 pm

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And what do you think you're going to do with women who simply don't wish to sacrifice their bodily integrity, their endocrine system, their joints, their overall health possibly permanently and even their life for something that isn't even sentient?

You can talk at women all you want but you can't force them to want their pregnancies.

To those who weren't raped: condom, birth control, Plan B pill
To those who were raped: birth control, Plan B pill

If you don't take the precautions (or in the case of rape victims, the post-cautions as it were) to avoid pregnancy, it is the woman's fault for being pregnant (watch you interpret this as "OMG YOU SAID RAPE IS THE WOMAN'S FAULT!") when there are clearly enough ways to avoid a pregnancy.

These options are much more humane than abortion, because it does not kill life. It prevents conception from occurring.

Sorry to burst your bubble of irresponsibility.

Oh bullcrap. No one is obliged to pay for a mistake with a whole damn pregnancy. You know what really is irresponsible? Carrying a child to term and making a whole damn human not because you've thought it out and the potential child has a stable life to wake up to but because a condom ruptured.

And hormonal BC is harmful to some women. Sorry. Her endocrine system, her choice.

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05 Nov 2012, 4:07 pm

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Now that I can whole-heartedly agree with.

I'm surprised we actually agree on something.

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05 Nov 2012, 4:13 pm

The problem with adoption is the Mother will never see the child again but the child will live.

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05 Nov 2012, 4:18 pm

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It's not unusual for a woman to spend a few days huddled in her shower and totally incoherent after having been raped, by which point it's too late to use 'Plan B.'
As for birth control, many women rely on barrier methods for bc with their regular partners, because hormones mess up their systems (this includes me, btw). This means that they're actually /more/ likely to get pregnant from a rapist than they are from having sex with their regular partners.

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05 Nov 2012, 4:24 pm

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Oh, those silly wimminz! They don't know what they really want!

If I were pregnant by rape, I could not get the thing out of me fast enough. I sure as hell wouldn't carry it to term, whether abortion was legal or not.

Total agreement on the 'no paternity rights for rapists,' though.

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05 Nov 2012, 4:26 pm

What about using a surrogate mother?

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05 Nov 2012, 4:29 pm

a zef can't be transferred once it has implanted in the uterus.

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05 Nov 2012, 4:35 pm

That is only with today's technology. Money could be spent for medical research on transplants.

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05 Nov 2012, 4:37 pm

I'm frankly very tired of hearing how my rights always come second to those of a 'baby'.

No. Sorry. I'm a human being. Not even other humans get the right to violate me. So yes, if I were ever raped, you can suck my ass and that 'baby' can suck my adrenaline and die. Yknow because being in a country where abortion is illegal and going elsewhere for one costs close to a thousand, my first feasible option would be plain old rue.

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05 Nov 2012, 4:57 pm

Which is more elite, being a chooser or being one of the chosen?

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