Rampant issues with feminism....
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: WHAT MAKES SOMEONE ATTRACTIVE IS THEIR INTRINSIC TRAITS AND NOT THE WAY THEY TREAT OTHERS.
Hey, you are screaming at women, just because they dont share your oppinion. So if women do like bad men who rebel against social conversations skills, i do not understand why you should have got a problem? According to your theory there should be lots of women who should fall in love with you. ^^
But if you are still interested in tipps for women, most dont like guys who scream aorund. So for me, if you screamed at me, that would be the second you would see my back without any goodbye. There is a difference with "lack of social skills" and "having no manners anyway".
No, I am being emphatic with YOU because you mentioned someone pissing on your doorstep, called it "rebellious", and then suggested that such is what I meant when I talked about bad boys and their rebel complexes.
And I don't have good social skills so that is a big reason why most women aren't attracted to me. Now it seems that you really aren't comprehending what I'm saying and English isn't your first language. Where are you from anyway and what's your mother tongue?
http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bdorse ... 1-fra.html
I know of no Medicine fit to diminish the violent natural Inclinations you mention; and if I did, I think I should not communicate it to you. Marriage is the proper Remedy. It is the most natural State of Man, and therefore the State in which you are most likely to find solid Happiness. Your Reasons against entering into it at present, appear to me not well-founded. The circumstantial Advantages you have in View by postponing it, are not only uncertain, but they are small in comparison with that of the Thing itself, the being married and settled. It is the Man and Woman united that make the compleat human Being. Separate, she wants his Force of Body and Strength of Reason; he, her Softness, Sensibility and acute Discernment. Together they are more likely to succeed in the World. A single Man has not nearly the Value he would have in that State of Union. He is an incomplete Animal. He resembles the odd Half of a Pair of Scissars. If you get a prudent healthy Wife, your Industry in your Profession, with her good Economy, will be a Fortune sufficient.
But if you will not take this Counsel, and persist in thinking a Commerce with the Sex inevitable, then I repeat my former Advice, that in all your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones. You call this a Paradox, and demand my Reasons. They are these:
i. Because as they have more Knowledge of the World and their Minds are better stor'd with Observations, their Conversation is more improving and more lastingly agreable.
2. Because when Women cease to be handsome, they study to be good. To maintain their Influence over Men, they supply the Diminution of Beauty by an Augmentation of Utility. They learn to do a 1000 Services small and great, and are the most tender and useful of all Friends when you are sick. Thus they continue amiable. And hence there is hardly such a thing to be found as an old Woman who is not a good Woman.
3. Because there is no hazard of Children, which irregularly produc'd may be attended with much Inconvenience.
4. Because thro' more Experience, they are more prudent and discreet in conducting an Intrigue to prevent Suspicion. The Commerce with them is therefore safer with regard to your Reputation. And with regard to theirs, if the Affair should happen to be known, considerate People might be rather inclin'd to excuse an old Woman who would kindly take care of a young Man, form his Manners by her good Counsels, and prevent his ruining his Health and Fortune among mercenary Prostitutes.
5. Because in every Animal that walks upright, the Deficiency of the Fluids that fill the Muscles appears first in the highest Part: The Face first grows lank and wrinkled; then the Neck; then the Breast and Arms; the lower Parts continuing to the last as plump as ever: So that covering all above with a Basket, and regarding only what is below the Girdle, it is impossible of two Women to know an old from a young one. And as in the dark all Cats are grey, the Pleasure of corporal Enjoyment with an old Woman is at least equal, and frequently superior, every Knack being by Practice capable of Improvement.
6. Because the Sin is less. The debauching a Virgin may be her Ruin, and make her for Life unhappy.
7. Because the Compunction is less. The having made a young Girl miserable may give you frequent bitter Reflections; none of which can attend the making an old Woman happy.
8thly and Lastly They are so grateful!!
Thus much for my Paradox. But still I advise you to marry directly; being sincerely Your affectionate Friend.
Remember: Benjamin Franklin was a Founding Father, and is therefore always right.
Seconded.
I think it's a defense mechanism. Claiming that women reject you because you're just too darned NICE is much more pleasant than facing the reality of your faults.
Seconded.
I think it's a defense mechanism. Claiming that women reject you because you're just too darned NICE is much more pleasant than facing the reality of your faults.
Obsessing over one's own personal shortcomings tends to be more of a feminine than a male approach to confronting life's problems.
Still, in light of the present topic, one does have to bear in mind certain facts that should be obvious:
1. Most men, regardless of how old they might be, how ugly or handsome they might be, how much attention they pay to their own personal hygiene, or how much wealth they might possess, are attracted to healthy, nubile, attractive women between the ages of 18 and 29.
2. Healthy, nubile, attractive women between the ages of 18 and 29 know that most men are attracted to them, and can afford to flaunt it.
3. Where demand greatly outstrips supply, the market price is going to rise.
If you're a billionaire
or a celebrity
or some kind of a sports star
then you've got the pick of the litter.
Women over 30 who remain sexually active are called "cougars" and "MILFs." As Inuyasha mentioned above, guys are often creeped out when approached by a cougar. There are probably plenty of older and fatter women who are hungry for a bit of attention. I would be very surprised if Rupert's second wife is getting any cock at all.
If your target remains healthy, nubile, attractive women between the ages of 18 and 29, then you might want to take honest stock of what you have to offer them. You have a lot of competition, and if you think that you are coming up short, then you might consider seeking a bride abroad, where a woman who meets your requirements will be thrilled at what you have to offer. Or, give some thought to loosening your standards for potential partners in your home country.
Something is fishy here .
Last time I checked, trolls have a -4 Intelligence and a -2 Wisdom modifier, but that post actually made *sense*.
Oh, and am I the only one who thinks that David Beckham's suit is f***ing ugly?
What you seem to want is a guy who's nice but also assertive. However, that doesn't change the fact that it's actually sexist and misandrist to characterize all those so-called "nice guys" as guys who just being nice to get sex. That is no different from saying that women who unwillingly single deserve to be single because they only want walking dildos, but we don't say that or do we? The fact is, many of those "nice guys" really want a relationship like everyone else but just don't have the social skills to do it. Last time I checked, people who think they are "entitled" to something, don't think they have to earn it. Since when is having romantic feelings for someone and being nice to them the same thing as being entitled anyway (whether they express those feelings feelings and ask them out or not)?
Most of the self-proclaimed 'Nice Guys' I've met have been entitled NT men who talk trash about women behind their backs but think that holding the door for her in person will cover up their distain for her entire gender, and then feel bitter and cheated when such behavior doesn't get them "tail."
There's also a subset who ignore and/or belittle their wives and never lift a finger to help around the house, and are then shocked, shocked! when she finally asks for a divorce despite the fact that he's been a "good provider" for years (sometimes the wife has also worked outside the home, sometimes not), and isn't that all that a 'good man' has to do to have a live-in servant with whom he can demand sex whenever he wants it?
And, yes, I have seen aspies occasionally spouting such attitudes here as well (not so much on this thread, but try the 'love and dating' section).
Wrt. nice aspies who are genuinely nice - who see women as other people with hopes and desires of their own, needs of their own, and lives of their own, yes: it can suck. But if you want to date an NT woman, or any woman who is higher-functioning than you, it's up to you to make up the gap most of the time. If she gets to know you and falls in love with you, she'll meet you halfway, but no woman out there has an obligation to do so, and no woman out there is lying if she says that she wants nice men but isn't attracted to someone who, say, picks his nose and eats it in public (cause, hey, why not? It's an illogical social rule). And, yes, I have known a nice aspie man who did that.
edit: good examples in the posts above. A woman over 30 is a cougar? When I first herd the word, it referred to women after menopause -50ish, in most cases. A woman's market value is entirely dependent on her looks? Maybe to "Nice Guys," (which, btw, raises another point: when self-proclaimed Nice Guys complain about women not wanting to date them, they usually only mean, 'supermodel-hot women who are a decade younger than me'). If you can afford for your wife to not work, then you would make a decent partner for a woman who has made a career out of perfecting her looks - because, face it, that type of face and body take a lot of work and a lot of money to maintain. If you're a woman who wants to do that, you sort of *have* to find a rich trophy husband, because you probably haven't learned any skills beyond making yourself look like a trophy.
If you're looking for a trophy, though, you're not looking for a partner. If, when you talk about women, you talk about 'nubile young bodies' and 'cougars,' you aren't looking for a partner; you're stereotyping body classes with the brains detached. You literally want a sexually functional robot to stick your dick in. And you shouldn't complain when women who *are* looking for a partner - say, most women who are going to college, for example - don't want much to do with you. Because that's not nice.
Not saying that women don't sometimes have unrealistic stereotypes of what they want in men, too - but saying that they want someone nice is usually not a lie, and not a stereotype.
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I hadn't thought about a correlation between the arguments.
I do know of women who like jerks. Perhaps I should say: men whom I find annoying.
I think that a lot of the complaining by men is just sour grapes: a lot of them really don't comprehend the competition they are up against in the market for healthy, nubile, attractive women between the ages of 18 and 29, are disappointed, and blame the women for exploiting their market advantages, when, if the tables were turned (for example, if a major war drastically reduced the number of competing men), then they would do the exact same thing.
...I like women who like me, if the woman is attractive thats a bonus, if she is average but has all the qualities and compatibilities that fit mine thats an even better bonus!
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The Urban Dictionary
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cougar
presents various viewpoints.
To a large extent. As mentioned above, Rupert's second wife probably isn't going to get any cock, while Rupert gets to make the beast with two backs with Hawt Young Wife Number 3.
If you're looking for a trophy, though, you're not looking for a partner. If, when you talk about women, you talk about 'nubile young bodies' and 'cougars,' you aren't looking for a partner; you're stereotyping body classes with the brains detached. You literally want a sexually functional robot to stick your dick in. And you shouldn't complain when women who *are* looking for a partner - say, most women who are going to college, for example - don't want much to do with you. Because that's not nice.
Sour grapes?
I think this isn't only about what women say they "want", but also how they tell guys to "act".
Whenever I've asked a girl for tips on for instance, approaching someone on the dance floor, I get the answer that I should "be careful", and "make sure I don't do something that doesn't feel okay [for the girl]"
Though I can understand their point of view (having had lots of bad experiences), this is "not" the kind of thing I (nor any shy/nice guy for that matter) would need to hear. I'm already inhibited as I am, I don't need any extra amount of respect.
There seems to be this idea floating around that guys are inherently pushy/bold/disrespectful, and that all guys somehow "need" to be cautioned/put in their place, so that they don't hurt someone. This is dead wrong IMO...
"It's the task of each teacher not to equate evil and activity, nor good and passitivity" (paraphrased from a really good book I read...)
I don't think that Rupert is representative of most men.
Sour grapes? No- just an observation of what that type of people want and need. If a man wants a woman who looks like she maintains her body as a career, he's going to have to be able to pay her for it because, unless she's a model, no one else will (haven't you noticed that actual models tend to pick trophy husbands, rather than the other way around?). And if she's spent her learning years pumping her brain full of nothing but beauty tips, she isn't going to be able to contribute much to the marriage besides her looks and a waitress's wage + tips, assuming that she has time to work at all while maintaining that body.
If you want a woman who looks like she spends hours on her body every day, but can't afford to support that habbit for her, you're SOL.
Otoh, if you want a woman who is more of a partner with a brain, who can contribute more than appearance to a relationship, then you'll have to start talking as if women were more than bodies.
I long for the day when realistic, androids with perfect bodies and features are developed, and all of the men who want nothing but a 'nubile young body' can buy an animatronic doll and leave the human women alone. She will cook, clean, take care of your mother, and get you off on three orifices (and any more that you care to install). I suppose if you're right about "cougars," there will be just as much of a market for perfectly-formed male robots. I think that there will be enough men left who want real relationships to make partners for the women who want real relationships.
I think this isn't only about what women say they "want", but also how they tell guys to "act".
Whenever I've asked a girl for tips on for instance, approaching someone on the dance floor, I get the answer that I should "be careful", and "make sure I don't do something that doesn't feel okay [for the girl]"
Though I can understand their point of view (having had lots of bad experiences), this is "not" the kind of thing I (nor any shy/nice guy for that matter) would need to hear. I'm already inhibited as I am, I don't need any extra amount of respect.
There seems to be this idea floating around that guys are inherently pushy/bold/disrespectful, and that all guys somehow "need" to be cautioned/put in their place, so that they don't hurt someone. This is dead wrong IMO...
"It's the task of each teacher not to equate evil and activity, nor good and passitivity" (paraphrased from a really good book I read...)
So your problem is that women haven't fulfilled your expectation that they be perfect teachers in getting you to approach other women?!
LKL:
I feel like you're misinterpreting me on purpose...
My problem is having been emotionally messed up by the expectations/norms/whatever in my environent.
That environment consists of
a) Feminist dominated media, politics, education/whatever
b) women/feminists depicting an ideal man they did not really want, (That I integrated into my personality/tried to live up to)
c) Women constantly telling me the most important thing in romance being never hurting someone
d) Factors I don't care to remember/account for
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