Rampant issues with feminism....
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c) Women constantly telling me the most important thing in romance being never hurting someone
This doesn't seem like typical, generic advice. It sounds more like it might be aimed specifically at you. Is there some reason for your female friends to be concerned that you're going to hurt someone? And what do they mean by "hurt"? There's a big difference between saying something thoughtless and punching someone in the face, for example, but both cause "hurt".
LKL wrote:
IHere's a hint: maybe it's not that the women aren't being truthful, but that the guys you think are 'bad,' aren't as bad as you think that they are, and that you aren't as 'nice' as you think you are.
The " 'nice guys' aren't as nice as they think they are" part of this already got discussed so nevermind that. But I think there is a lot of truth to the "'bad' guys aren't as bad as you think they are" part too. I have seen (ok, read) many shy and introverted men equating shyness and introversion with 'nice' and also equating raucous extroversion as 'jerk' or 'bad boy'. Then when the women go for the loud extrovert man, they say "women claim to like nice guys but only date the jerks". In reality, many of those loud and raucous extroverts are nice. Being an introvert is not inherently nicer than being an extrovert. So when women wind up with them, they have in fact gone for the nice guy, he just is a loud nice guy.
Janissy wrote:
LKL wrote:
IHere's a hint: maybe it's not that the women aren't being truthful, but that the guys you think are 'bad,' aren't as bad as you think that they are, and that you aren't as 'nice' as you think you are.
The " 'nice guys' aren't as nice as they think they are" part of this already got discussed so nevermind that. But I think there is a lot of truth to the "'bad' guys aren't as bad as you think they are" part too. I have seen (ok, read) many shy and introverted men equating shyness and introversion with 'nice' and also equating raucous extroversion as 'jerk' or 'bad boy'. Then when the women go for the loud extrovert man, they say "women claim to like nice guys but only date the jerks". In reality, many of those loud and raucous extroverts are nice. Being an introvert is not inherently nicer than being an extrovert. So when women wind up with them, they have in fact gone for the nice guy, he just is a loud nice guy.
That sums it up nicely.
Being a loud alpha-jock is not the same thing as being a "bad boy," and being quiet and shy does in no way equate to being "nice.
Several of my male acquaintances and fellow gym-rats are loud alpha-jocks who happen to treat their wives/girlfriends like gold.
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..I like women who like me, if the woman is attractive thats a bonus, if she is average but has all the qualities and compatibilities that fit mine thats an even better bonus!

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LKL wrote:
I don't think that Rupert is representative of most men.
Most men aren't even millionaires, let alone billionaires.
LKL wrote:
If a man wants a woman who looks like she maintains her body as a career, he's going to have to be able to pay her for it because, unless she's a model, no one else will (haven't you noticed that actual models tend to pick trophy husbands, rather than the other way around?). And if she's spent her learning years pumping her brain full of nothing but beauty tips, she isn't going to be able to contribute much to the marriage besides her looks and a waitress's wage + tips, assuming that she has time to work at all while maintaining that body.
If you want a woman who looks like she spends hours on her body every day, but can't afford to support that habbit for her, you're SOL.
If you want a woman who looks like she spends hours on her body every day, but can't afford to support that habbit for her, you're SOL.
Women do spend huge sums of money on cosmetics, makeup, breast-augmentation surgery, cosmetic surgery, hair styles, hair colours, nails, dresses, accessories, shoes, etc. etc. Some women spend hours preening themselves in the mirror. Many even remove the hair on their legs, armpits, and other bodiy areas. What is the point of all that? Is part of the reason to make themselves attractive to men?
LKL wrote:
I long for the day when realistic, androids with perfect bodies and features are developed, and all of the men who want nothing but a 'nubile young body' can buy an animatronic doll and leave the human women alone. She will cook, clean, take care of your mother, and get you off on three orifices (and any more that you care to install).
That's what women are for.

LKL wrote:
I suppose if you're right about "cougars," there will be just as much of a market for perfectly-formed male robots.
They're called sybians.
LKL wrote:
I think that there will be enough men left who want real relationships to make partners for the women who want real relationships.
Don't hold your breath.
ArrantPariah wrote:
LKL wrote:
I suppose if you're right about "cougars," there will be just as much of a market for perfectly-formed male robots.
They're called sybians.
Well that's a fancy word for a dildo.
I thought you meant something like Commander Data and I was going to make a joke about where to get one,thank goodness I looked that word up.I can only imagine the photos you would post of "sybians".
Misslizard wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
LKL wrote:
I suppose if you're right about "cougars," there will be just as much of a market for perfectly-formed male robots.
They're called sybians.
Well that's a fancy word for a dildo.
I thought you meant something like Commander Data and I was going to make a joke about where to get one,thank goodness I looked that word up.I can only imagine the photos you would post of "sybians".
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtj2Ji4oDLs[/youtube]
puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
LKL wrote:
I think that there will be enough men left who want real relationships to make partners for the women who want real relationships.
Don't hold your breath.
You sound like you're as down on men as radical feminists are.
I just strive to be somewhat realistic.
Janissy wrote:
LKL wrote:
IHere's a hint: maybe it's not that the women aren't being truthful, but that the guys you think are 'bad,' aren't as bad as you think that they are, and that you aren't as 'nice' as you think you are.
The " 'nice guys' aren't as nice as they think they are" part of this already got discussed so nevermind that. But I think there is a lot of truth to the "'bad' guys aren't as bad as you think they are" part too. I have seen (ok, read) many shy and introverted men equating shyness and introversion with 'nice' and also equating raucous extroversion as 'jerk' or 'bad boy'. Then when the women go for the loud extrovert man, they say "women claim to like nice guys but only date the jerks". In reality, many of those loud and raucous extroverts are nice. Being an introvert is not inherently nicer than being an extrovert. So when women wind up with them, they have in fact gone for the nice guy, he just is a loud nice guy.
Some of those extroverted men actually are *nice*, but for every nice one there are plenty who Aint. LIKE I SAID: What makes those guys attractive to women is not their dominant, pushy, dont-give-a-f*ck (and sometimes chauvinistic)attitude towards women, it is their social savoir faire and their street smarts which make people look up to them and give them a lot of status. Having bulging biceps and washboard abs on top of it certainly doesn't hurt.
If you lack these traits and you're introverted and socially inept, most women are going to be turned off to you unless you can figure out a way to make up for it that garners status. One of the best ways to do this, if you're lucky enough to be born with the talent, is ARTISTIC EXPRESSION. That's right, if you make art, particularly Music, you can vastly improve your sex appeal to women no matter how bad your social skills may be. Humans are one of many different animals that use art, be it auditory(as is "mating calls" and "songs"), visual(like the Bowerbird which builds a snazzy nest to impress the female), or physical(like most birds and many mammals which do a mating dance and the male with the smoothest moves gets to mate). In the words of a iFriend of mine, "not gonna lie-guitar players make the panties drop".
ArrantPariah wrote:
Women do spend huge sums of money on cosmetics, makeup, breast-augmentation surgery, cosmetic surgery, hair styles, hair colours, nails, dresses, accessories, shoes, etc. etc. Some women spend hours preening themselves in the mirror. Many even remove the hair on their legs, armpits, and other bodiy areas. What is the point of all that? Is part of the reason to make themselves attractive to men?
No, "women" do not do that. Some women do that; sometimes it is because they, like a professional football player, won the genetic lottery for the physical attributes considered 'ideal' for their sex, and they can hit the financial jackpot by capitalizing on that; some, because they've internalized the idea that looks are the only way a woman can achieve social status (similar to a male gym rat).
Most aspie women, like aspie men, care less about clothes and makeup and more about study.
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LKL wrote:
I long for the day when realistic, androids with perfect bodies and features are developed, and all of the men who want nothing but a 'nubile young body' can buy an animatronic doll and leave the human women alone. She will cook, clean, take care of your mother, and get you off on three orifices (and any more that you care to install).
That's what women are for.

No. That's what brainless bodies are for. That's my point.
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LKL wrote:
I think that there will be enough men left who want real relationships to make partners for the women who want real relationships.
Don't hold your breath.
Thankfully, I know enough men IRL (and have even overheard a few of them saying rather humane things to each other when they didn't know that they were being overheard) to know that most of them are not like you. If I thought that most men were like you, I'd be one of the separatist feminists that AspieRogue rails against.
AspieRogue wrote:
Janissy wrote:
LKL wrote:
IHere's a hint: maybe it's not that the women aren't being truthful, but that the guys you think are 'bad,' aren't as bad as you think that they are, and that you aren't as 'nice' as you think you are.
The " 'nice guys' aren't as nice as they think they are" part of this already got discussed so nevermind that. But I think there is a lot of truth to the "'bad' guys aren't as bad as you think they are" part too. I have seen (ok, read) many shy and introverted men equating shyness and introversion with 'nice' and also equating raucous extroversion as 'jerk' or 'bad boy'. Then when the women go for the loud extrovert man, they say "women claim to like nice guys but only date the jerks". In reality, many of those loud and raucous extroverts are nice. Being an introvert is not inherently nicer than being an extrovert. So when women wind up with them, they have in fact gone for the nice guy, he just is a loud nice guy.
Some of those extroverted men actually are *nice*, but for every nice one there are plenty who Aint. LIKE I SAID: What makes those guys attractive to women is not their dominant, pushy, dont-give-a-f*ck (and sometimes chauvinistic)attitude towards women, it is their social savoir faire and their street smarts which make people look up to them and give them a lot of status. Having bulging biceps and washboard abs on top of it certainly doesn't hurt.
If you lack these traits and you're introverted and socially inept, most women are going to be turned off to you unless you can figure out a way to make up for it that garners status. One of the best ways to do this, if you're lucky enough to be born with the talent, is ARTISTIC EXPRESSION. That's right, if you make art, particularly Music, you can vastly improve your sex appeal to women no matter how bad your social skills may be. Humans are one of many different animals that use art, be it auditory(as is "mating calls" and "songs"), visual(like the Bowerbird which builds a snazzy nest to impress the female), or physical(like most birds and many mammals which do a mating dance and the male with the smoothest moves gets to mate). In the words of a iFriend of mine, "not gonna lie-guitar players make the panties drop".
Well, I can't lie: really good male dancers - breakdancing, dancing in sequence - definitely turn my head. It's too bad that most male dancers these days seem to be gay.

Wrt. singing, at least with birds, a lot of male song is actually the establishment of an auditory boundry with other males.