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14 Dec 2012, 8:15 pm

Ah, common sense in the midst of chaos.

Thank you.

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14 Dec 2012, 8:18 pm

I don't think we should be even thinking about the shooter right now. There are 20 kids dead whose families will have to suffer through the Christmas holidays. And there are 8 adults dead and their families and loved ones will have a tough Christmas. Imagine if you had to bury your dead child or loved one right before Christmas. :(


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14 Dec 2012, 8:24 pm

Dear barcncpt44,
So very true, and blessings to the police and medical workers who must be emotionally devastated by what they have had to deal with.
You are absolutely right.

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14 Dec 2012, 9:18 pm

Too many guns, too freely available. The guy had an arsenal. Why does a civilian need an assault rifle or pistols? Those things are dangerous and are expressly designed for use against people and as such have no place in a civil society.
I accept that the military need them, obviously.



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14 Dec 2012, 9:29 pm

He did not have them, his mother did, bought legally.
It is not known yet if she allowed him to have access to them, or if he broke into the gun cabinet or stole the key.
He did not have an arsenal, two handguns were carried into the school, one rifle was still in his car.

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14 Dec 2012, 9:44 pm

Misslizard wrote:
^^^^^Both kids and parents look in shock,it's not really fair at this time to judge the parents on their actions,they are numb.My reaction would be to grab my kid and run with them,but that's me.
it's the media who should back off from the parents.


Yeah, to be clear, I think the media are worse in this than (also shocked/traumatized) parents.

The whole thing is so awful. :cry:



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14 Dec 2012, 9:55 pm

I haven't been on this website in a long time, but as soon as I read online that this guy was suspected of having Asperger's Syndrome, I had to find out what you all think about it.

When I first found out about this shooting, I was disgusted, of course. I felt sad for all the victims and their families. And I wondered how a person could do such a thing, how anyone could walk into a kindergarden - 4th grade elementary school with a gun, and kill these young children. They killed teachers too of course - apparently the killer's main target, the kindergarden teacher, was his mother. This sounds like one of the worst shootings we've had in a long time. Less than a week ago, there was that Oregon shooting. Before that, there was the movie theater shooting in Colorado. And we all know about the Collumbine school shooting and stuff. This is the worst shooting I've heard about in a long time.

And then, the Asperger's thing came into the picture. Yes, some websites just say that he was described as "slightly autistic". This is legitimately making me cry right now. This evil, evil, obviously insane, and more importantly, just cruel and evil, guy apparently has the same disability as me?!?!? I'm not sure how factual that is...it could be just speculation. I also heard he had some other kind of personality disorder. But either way, it depresses me. It doesn't just sadden me; it actually depresses me. We're obviously not a violent group of people - actually I think we're usually in the victims of crimes, and other things like that. I, for one, have been bullied for one. I think, if this guy did have Asperger's, he probably had something else too. But whatever, I'm not as worried about whether he actually has it or not as much as I'm worried about how the media will make us look. The general US population seems very ignorant about the disorder (condition?). I don't want to deal with prejudice/discrimination/stigma for this...This might be the only thing kids at school will associate it with. I'm already considered awkward, and "ret*d" and just plain weird. Do I really need to be stereotyped as a homicidal maniac too? I don't think so.

Anyway, I feel bad for those kids. And their families, and their teachers. It's scary, scary, scary.


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14 Dec 2012, 10:03 pm

I'd like to know what psychiatric drugs if any was he prescribed. They want to talk about what label he has but don't want to talk about the dangers of psychiatric drugs and how prior mass shooters were prescribed either a drug for ADD, anti-psychotic or anti-depressant. Feeling bad for the families and all kids whom have to suffer over this everywhere. There are too many cases of this happening now to be ignored.



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14 Dec 2012, 10:12 pm

If what they are saying in the media is true, the mother sounds like a total gun nut. The guns were registered to her. Also, media is reporting mother and son had troubled relationship. Now, why on earth would this lady keep these high powered guns in her house when she knows she doesn't get along with her son? Makes no sense whatsoever.



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14 Dec 2012, 10:21 pm

We're there more than three guns?
I read that he took two into the school.
She may well have kept them locked up, but if he was frightening her, she may have had one or two accessible of she was becoming afraid of him.
If she had been looking for help for him, or possibly placement, that would indicate worsening symptoms of SOMETHING, not necessarily Asperger's.

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14 Dec 2012, 10:28 pm

Sylkat,
The media here reports Adam Lanza shot his mother in the face, then took two handguns, and one assault rifle to the elementary school where she worked but she wasn't a teacher. She had some other kind of job. If there were more guns, no one has mentioned them. These guns are high powered models, though, one is a 9mm Glock. Not a gun expert and don't feel like Googling the other two but they are sophisticated weaponry. Not for the squirmish or amateur. Whoever bought them knew their guns and the two handguns were registered to the mother. Father is divorced from Mother and lives nearby.

Also, media is saying it could be a copycat style spree, triggered by the recent shooting at the Oregon mall.



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14 Dec 2012, 10:40 pm

Dear ooOoOAnnaoOooO, thank you for the info, till now she was said to be a teacher of the class he shot.
I know little about guns at all, do not know if she ever saw him as dangerous, or if he had access to them until she was dead.
I had not read that he shot her, but have found more and more info....hope I can trust it, some of the early reports were very inaccurate.

So tragic that these families will have funerals instead of celebrating Christmas.

R.I.P. may God welcome you home

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14 Dec 2012, 10:45 pm

Very tragic situation so close to Christmas which makes it doubly difficult.



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14 Dec 2012, 10:52 pm

Kait wrote:
I haven't been on this website in a long time, but as soon as I read online that this guy was suspected of having Asperger's Syndrome, I had to find out what you all think about it.

When I first found out about this shooting, I was disgusted, of course. I felt sad for all the victims and their families. And I wondered how a person could do such a thing, how anyone could walk into a kindergarden - 4th grade elementary school with a gun, and kill these young children. They killed teachers too of course - apparently the killer's main target, the kindergarden teacher, was his mother. This sounds like one of the worst shootings we've had in a long time. Less than a week ago, there was that Oregon shooting. Before that, there was the movie theater shooting in Colorado. And we all know about the Collumbine school shooting and stuff. This is the worst shooting I've heard about in a long time.

And then, the Asperger's thing came into the picture. Yes, some websites just say that he was described as "slightly autistic". This is legitimately making me cry right now. This evil, evil, obviously insane, and more importantly, just cruel and evil, guy apparently has the same disability as me?!?!? I'm not sure how factual that is...it could be just speculation. I also heard he had some other kind of personality disorder. But either way, it depresses me. It doesn't just sadden me; it actually depresses me. We're obviously not a violent group of people - actually I think we're usually in the victims of crimes, and other things like that. I, for one, have been bullied for one. I think, if this guy did have Asperger's, he probably had something else too. But whatever, I'm not as worried about whether he actually has it or not as much as I'm worried about how the media will make us look. The general US population seems very ignorant about the disorder (condition?). I don't want to deal with prejudice/discrimination/stigma for this...This might be the only thing kids at school will associate it with. I'm already considered awkward, and "ret*d" and just plain weird. Do I really need to be stereotyped as a homicidal maniac too? I don't think so.

Anyway, I feel bad for those kids. And their families, and their teachers. It's scary, scary, scary.


To be clear it hasn't been confirmed he has Asperger's, and the media is only reporting on the possibility based on a statement given by the shooter's brother. Hopefully this doesn't have a negative impact on those who do have Asperger's, but if Twitter is any indication of things there seems to be a lot of anger towards this situation and people blaming Asperger's for it.



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14 Dec 2012, 11:04 pm

That is exactly why these loudmouths who want their fifteen minutes from the media need to be quiet until there is official confirmation of a diagnosis by a professional while he was alive.

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14 Dec 2012, 11:21 pm

Without a formal diagnoses while alive
only speculation of ASD can be implied