School shooting in CT

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My first post here, but I couldn't be silent after another mass shooting with the perpetrator reportedly Aspie. Maybe most of us are not violent, wouldn't resort to violence, abhor violence...but I can remember back to younger days (I'm 45) and the rage and pain I carried from abuse of folks who just don't tolerate "different". I don't believe we are prone to this behavior, but I do believe a person can only take so much. Three of my four kids are diagnosed Aspie also and I fear for them. Why don't schools recognize that the extremes of how other kids treat kids like mine and that the complete disregard schools show them leads to these incidents too? Middle of the night and I don't even know if I'm making sense. Guess its all fine bc we won't even be Aspie when the DSMV comes out, we will just all be autistic.

I think fear for my life will give my feet wings.
And I'm very happy the person with the gun present at the Clackamas shooting had enough sense not to shoot bystanders. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to be so responsible.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I know exactly what you mean. I got put through a whole lot of s**t growing up - I was often teased for being perceived as ret*d by my peers, even though I was often the smartest kid in class. And that was back in the not so good old days, before anyone knew what Asperger's was, and so I was just pigeon holed as hyper active.
When my daughter had been diagnosed with autism, I very much feared she would go through the BS I had to endure. But thankfully, the school she attends has a very good special ed program for autistic children, which also includes teaching tolerance to the mainstreamed kids. As a matter of fact, the other kids are very accepting of her, and she's even very popular with them. Needless to say, that's a load off my mind.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

My oldest is in a program where he is more sheltered. My Aspie daughter is mainstreamed in middle school with evil entitled snobby rich kids in a school district that allows ppl with money to get away with um, well, pretty much anything. My youngest is in his last year of elementary school, mainstreamed for now. Glad your little one is going through less bullying.

Trust me, I am. So far, she hasn't experienced any, from what I can gather from her and her teachers.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I haven't heard if the shooter was using 10 round magazines like a good, law-abiding psycho killer.

4800 cases over 20 years? Vs. how many prescribed users? Practically half the country takes some type of serotonin antagonist and you show enough legal cases to almost fill the LA county jail, and it takes 2 decades to do so.

It's when there's nowhere to run that the bodies really pile up. See the knife massacre in China the other day. It left just as many kids dead.

Granted. In most cases, though, I would think a reasonably healthy unarmed adult would stand a better chance fighting a killer with a knife than he/she would with someone wielding a gun.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Btw Bill, I'm from them good ole days when we were just lazy freaks who didn't apply ourselves or work up to our ability too. Just don't understand why it doesn't seem all that much better for my daughter today with an actual diagnosis. Wish I could change school districts... but here's a kick in the teeth for a supposedly handicapped soul such as myself...I have been at my job over 18 years, my ex husband worked only the first two years of our twenty year marriage despite being a healthy neurotypical, so when we divorced, the courts agreed with him that he was "primary caregiver" being home w them so long, and that it was too much for his addled Aspie wife to have the four of them, so now I pay over 2k a month in child support and he makes all the decisions. I'm so "different" and "off" w my Aspie self, apparently all I can do is continue to financially support my family as I have always done. So all I can do is sit in the background and listen to Katie's heartbreak when she calls me to tell me what happened today in school, try to give my ex advice about what words to use in talking w the principal, and quietly seethe. Lucky them, I have no guns.

Yeah, lucky them.
I myself was only diagnosed by a psychologist just a few years ago. I came to suspect I had Asperger's only after my daughter was officially diagnosed. I started reading up on high functioning autism, and really recognized myself. So I requested the psychologist who diagnosed my daughter to evaluate me, and sure enough, he found I was an Aspie.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Me too, hun. Wasn't til my oldest was diagnosed that I had an answer to me.

Actually, gun owners are particularly concerned about knife wielding criminals, because at very close range a knife is actually a more effective weapon than a gun. A gun is only dangerous in one very narrow direction, which makes it difficult to use against someone who can simply grab it from the side. A knife, on the other hand, is dangerous along its entire length, and is definitely not the sort of thing you want to be grabbing at if you can avoid it.

Dennis Tueller developed the Tueller drill as a result of this and several attendant realizations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

Sadly, this doesn't really help a knife carrying victim against a gun carrying assailant, since the assailant is usually the one that dictates the range and timing of a fight. Victims are, by definition, always on the defensive, and have to not only defeat the assailant, but do so from a non-guard position and with a half-second delay in their OODA loop. Between the deer jumping out in front of a car, and the car driver noticing the deer, recognizing the threat it constitutes, determining a course of action to mitigate that threat, and carrying out that course of action, the deer nearly *always* wins.

Now imagine a deer with a knife, and you start to see why gun owners worry.

That's why we train and practice and seek out better equipment; so we can improve our chances in a situation whose odds are very likely lopsided in the assailant's favor.

And then of course, even if we manage to survive the situation, we get prosecuted because we didn't give the assailant better odds. Go figure.

I suspect we've all had these fantasies at his age. We just don't act on it. Many people with autism have other forms of mental illnesses as well. You don't kill people if you just have AS

Try telling that to NT's in the media, and the NT's who don't know anything about Asperger's, save what they hear on TV.
Am I an alarmist for fearing an Anti-Aspie backlash?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

we all have no idea what had triggered the psychotic

break, and we in the USA are a nation where the tv show

"Criminal Minds" each week had serial killers being

intrepidly tracked down by a top notch FBI profiler unit.

a few years back here i toyed with the idea Isaac Newton

was an asperger's syndrome person. his DNA can

be eventually sampled, but that implies disturbing him.

its much more fun trying to guess at how likely this is.

this guy may have had aspergers but that itself does not cause this. Its a mere correlation not causation and there will be co existent conditions in play also. NPD, BPD etc.