Encouraging (Not Mandating) Abstinence: Harmless or Not?

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18 Dec 2012, 2:33 am

it isnt excactly extreme precautions that are needed.

when the public mindset is such that it is perfectly acceptable to have and use a condom then generally people will,
sometimes it will slip, for some people that may even be most of the time but it doesnt automatically mean that there is a high std chance(that chance however depends on where in the world you are of course)

there is also a wide range of std's, they arent all aids and you dont hold a cold against someone, even if they got it from snogging their partner.


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18 Dec 2012, 3:17 am

I think people shoud be encouraged to act, as they feel themself that it fits for them. So if you dont have interest in persons of the opposite sex and have no interest in sex, you should just accept that. And if you have interest, you also shood accept that. And whatver you feel its best for you, always use a condom.

There is no use for an adolescent lifestyle if you feel better with being absitnent, and there is no use for ans abstinent lifestyle if you feel better with being adolescent. Waht use would you have, of doing something that would make another person happy if he/she did it on her/his own, when you are the one doing it? :)



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18 Dec 2012, 10:17 am

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Why shouldn't sex be done casually? It's a fun activity. All the emotional attachment is completely unnecessary.


Teens are not generally good at predicting outcomes. That is to say, a teen may not expect casual sex to have any emotional impact, and then be quite surprised if/when it does. And that impact can be quite negative, especially given the instability of teen relationships and the capacity of teens to harrass, tease, ostracize, and otherwise abuse one another.
In addition, sex is a big deal socially regardless of whether the individual sees it that way. Again, the inability to predict outcomes can leave a teen utterly surprised to find that she has become known as the "town bicycle". And utterly surprised by how damaging to her self esteem that may be.



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18 Dec 2012, 10:36 am

and all of that should be covered in proper sex ed,
i really do think that anyone that doesnt want to have sex shouldnt but there are teenagers that will and do, biologically speaking it is perfectly normal and in many ways neccesary behavior.

so abstinence should be amongst the topics discussed, also as a way of reassuring people that dont want sex that that is a perfectly acceptable solution as well.
it shouldnt be pushed aggresively nor focused on beyond reason, that wouldnt leave room for all the other and more important issues of sex, this still goes even if you choose to be abstinent since for many there will be a first time at some point.


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18 Dec 2012, 11:08 am

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Why shouldn't sex be done casually? It's a fun activity. All the emotional attachment is completely unnecessary.


I gotta say, i see this as an advantage. So when you already had your relationships, you know the hormon cycle. So you know, that your hormones tell you: "...that this and only this person will be the only person ever you will love and no other person ever can destroy your eternal love and...." at a start of a partnership, and you already know that its just a trick of nature to get two people together. And only then, when you are in a relationship and your hormon cocktail is slowly going back to normal, you are really able to see if you really fit together or not. So if i had a child, and he/she would have never had an relationship in her whole life and then he/she comes with 21 years old and telling me of the first girl/guy ever he/she has an relationship now and "...that this and only this person will be the only person ever you will love and no other person ever can destroy your eternal love and...." and wants to marry this person because having no experience with your own body reactions in an relationship, i´d be afraid because i would think that sure he/she is feeling that way and i know that its really convincing, but he/she does not know what i know: That you shouldnt decide such things, under the influence of a "fresh love" hormon cocktail. Wait until your both back to normal and when there is still love, deep love, not that hyperactive one, everything is alright. If i know the child already had 3 relationships or whatever, then i know, that he/she has experienced already not to trust her mind fully, as long as you are in heaven with your new partner, so i have to care less if he had in mind to be careful about that.

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Again, the inability to predict outcomes can leave a teen utterly surprised to find that she has become known as the "town bicycle". And utterly surprised by how damaging to her self esteem that may be.


I would see the advantage: You already know, which people in town are idiots and do not need to waste further time with them in future, until you would recognize them as idiots anyway that are not worth your time. ^^ If you live in a really small vill and you are that surrounded by idiots, that you cant avoid them, use my tactic: Aviod seeking out your one night stand partners at home. (According to the area where you live.) So as long as nobody know, they can live their bigoted life on without "catastrophes". ^^



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18 Dec 2012, 4:03 pm

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Why shouldn't sex be done casually? It's a fun activity. All the emotional attachment is completely unnecessary. Teach teens to do it safely and let them go have fun.


Sex is a very intense emotional state and physical state.
The emotional attachment is a part of the sexual experience as a whole.
I wouldn't want to take it lightly because of potential unintended consequences of the action.
I'm all for safe sex.


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Sex is emotionally intense because people have been taught that it should be. No other reason.

I agree it should not be taken lightly, hence teaching teens about the proper methods of safe sex.


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18 Dec 2012, 5:10 pm

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Sex is emotionally intense because people have been taught that it should be. No other reason.


Obviously you never actually had sex before have you?
Even in foreplay the emotions are hot man! I'm not joking around. I know because I have experienced it.


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18 Dec 2012, 5:44 pm

NAKnight wrote:
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Sex is emotionally intense because people have been taught that it should be. No other reason.


Obviously you never actually had sex before have you?
Even in foreplay the emotions are hot man! I'm not joking around. I know because I have experienced it.


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Yes, I have had sex. I wouldn't be in here talking about it like I've had first hand experience if I hadn't.


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18 Dec 2012, 8:07 pm

abacacus wrote:
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Sex is emotionally intense because people have been taught that it should be. No other reason.


Obviously you never actually had sex before have you?
Even in foreplay the emotions are hot man! I'm not joking around. I know because I have experienced it.


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Yes, I have had sex. I wouldn't be in here talking about it like I've had first hand experience if I hadn't.


If you really had sex, you know the emotional feeling/sensation you feel.
Your implying that sex is not a emotional experience. When in reality, it is entirely that.
What reasoning do you have to say that is not a emotional experience?

Are you referring to just casual sex? Recreational sex?

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18 Dec 2012, 8:16 pm

I'd prefer a "just the facts" approach to sex ed. Something along the lines of, "If you do X, there is a Y% chance of Z happening". No encouragement or discouragement.

There's inevitably going to be a lot of drama and shaming surrounding sex at that age, and I don't think a sex ed teacher could actually affect the personal lives of their students, however well-meaning they might be. Students instinctively feel that certain domains are outside the legitimate role of a teacher.



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18 Dec 2012, 8:30 pm

Your right. That's a good way to put it.

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19 Dec 2012, 6:02 am

NAKnight wrote:
abacacus wrote:
NAKnight wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Sex is emotionally intense because people have been taught that it should be. No other reason.


Obviously you never actually had sex before have you?
Even in foreplay the emotions are hot man! I'm not joking around. I know because I have experienced it.


Best Regards,

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Yes, I have had sex. I wouldn't be in here talking about it like I've had first hand experience if I hadn't.


If you really had sex, you know the emotional feeling/sensation you feel.
Your implying that sex is not a emotional experience. When in reality, it is entirely that.
What reasoning do you have to say that is not a emotional experience?

Are you referring to just casual sex? Recreational sex?

Best Regards,

Jake


So i had really, real sex in real life, and i really do not now how to fit in more real and really in this real sentence. ^^

Yes and i had really good sex, just because i was horny as hell, and it was real sex, and there was no other emotion then horny involved from my side. And i had really good sex, with a partner a love, including the emotional part.

So in REAL, REALER, REALLIEST SEX both are possible, You can have sex whith no more emotion then being horny AND you can have sex with emotions. And both are nice.

I am not joking around. I know, because i have experienced it. ;)

So stop arguing what the REAL sex is and so on. Whenever two people are having physical fun together, no matter if emotions are involved or not, it is sex. And thats what i meant with: There is no worse or better. What fits for the one person, does not fit for the other person. If all i wanna have is sex because i am horny, then the last thing i need is a guy, talking about his emotions all the time and wanting a relationship with me. I know, because i have experienced this. And when I found someone, whith whom i feel emotional connected, this is fine as well, and nothing bad about it.

So the only solution is to listen inside yourself, and see what is the sex YOU want yourself and find a person agreeing with that. And everything is alright. The only wrong, not real, sex, is if one of the person is just faking sexual interest. Then you really have no real sex. ^^



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19 Dec 2012, 11:49 am

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It depends on why abstinence is encouraged. I don't like the idea of young people being taught that sex is wrong, sinful, etc. I think they should understand the risks and dangers though, of STDs and pregnancy. It's well-known that the most effective form of birth control is abstinence. All other forms have their failure rates.

I'm also not sure how much it will matter, if someone is taught abstinence without the prudish, repressive attitudes attached. If a young person has a strong sex drive and the opportunity, I think they're going to engage in it, if only to find out what all the fuss is about. We do make a big fuss over sex in our culture.

In the case of a young person who is shy, awkward, or uncertain, or simply not all that interested, I think they need to understand that it's fine to wait until they're in a stable relationship, or to never have sex at all if they don't want it. There shouldn't be any pressure to engage in sex by a certain age, and I think all young people should be taught to not let themselves be coerced into sex when they really don't want it - just to fit in or be accepted or feel loved.



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19 Dec 2012, 1:03 pm

BlueAbyss wrote:
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It depends on why abstinence is encouraged. I don't like the idea of young people being taught that sex is wrong, sinful, etc. I think they should understand the risks and dangers though, of STDs and pregnancy. It's well-known that the most effective form of birth control is abstinence. All other forms have their failure rates.

I'm also not sure how much it will matter, if someone is taught abstinence without the prudish, repressive attitudes attached. If a young person has a strong sex drive and the opportunity, I think they're going to engage in it, if only to find out what all the fuss is about. We do make a big fuss over sex in our culture.

In the case of a young person who is shy, awkward, or uncertain, or simply not all that interested, I think they need to understand that it's fine to wait until they're in a stable relationship, or to never have sex at all if they don't want it. There shouldn't be any pressure to engage in sex by a certain age, and I think all young people should be taught to not let themselves be coerced into sex when they really don't want it - just to fit in or be accepted or feel loved.


This. My sentiments exactly. Couldn't have said it any better myself. It wouldn't hurt though if sex isn't so glorified the way it is in some quarters, or unspeakable taboo in others.



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19 Dec 2012, 7:13 pm

As scared of sex as our society is, there is already a great deal of pressure on young people to have sex. The pressure seems to be greater on young men from my perspective as women seem to be encouraged to defend their honor and such, but as I have never been a young woman I don't know what it's like so there could be some major source of pressure I don't notice.

Ending the encouragement of abstinence will, in my opinion, lead to more people be coerced into sex because if the pressure is so great now, imagine what it would be like after abstinence was no longer encouraged.



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19 Dec 2012, 8:26 pm

NAKnight wrote:
abacacus wrote:
NAKnight wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Sex is emotionally intense because people have been taught that it should be. No other reason.


Obviously you never actually had sex before have you?
Even in foreplay the emotions are hot man! I'm not joking around. I know because I have experienced it.


Best Regards,

Jake


Yes, I have had sex. I wouldn't be in here talking about it like I've had first hand experience if I hadn't.


If you really had sex, you know the emotional feeling/sensation you feel.
Your implying that sex is not a emotional experience. When in reality, it is entirely that.
What reasoning do you have to say that is not a emotional experience?

Are you referring to just casual sex? Recreational sex?

Best Regards,

Jake


Casual, done for fun. I've no interest in having kids.


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