Christopher Dorner, folk hero

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[quote="Telekon"

I agree. He hasn't done anything heroic. He was a maniac.[/quote]

We was a sane as we are. He was evil, though.

Why is it we characterize evil doing as insanity?

ruveyn

It's popular to say that the government had set the fire at Waco. But the simple fact of the matter is, the Branch Davidians were fanatical Millennialists, who absolutely believed that the earth was going to be consumed in God's fiery judgement. Add to that witnesses who saw cult members splashing gasoline around the building. It should also be recalled that when people came running out of the building, the feds did not in fact open fire on them, and try to drive them back into the fire; but rather, rushed out to save them. There were also cultists who had tried to run back into the burning building, but were stopped by agents. But the story that the federal agents had started the fire has been repeated so often that a great many people believe that that's what happened.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That is a good point. I've noticed the term "sociopath" is often used to characterize people who do evil things, probably because most people don't believe in good and evil anymore.

I use the term maniac loosely here. He really flipped out.

I suspect that he will be "sainted" among the blacks of Los Angeles the way black people in Oakland "sainted" Oscar Grant. It looks weird to whites, but if you haven't lived under the oppression of an all-white police force in a rancid ghetto with no hope for the future, don't try to understand it. I've lived in the Tenderloin and even then only got a taste.

Or so the official government story goes. They never admitted culpability for Ruby Ridge either. They probably set the fire at the cabin Big Bear in a very similar manner to Waco(minus the tanks) with CS gas which can be very flammable. They are on video saying to 'burn that motherlover up" before they shot CS gas canisters into the building, what do you think they were talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MET3RRel6Es
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/ ... e-to-kill/

LAPD wanted Dorner dead, so they set fire to the house with the full intention to kill him. no questions.

Dorner will be portrayed as evil and attempts will be made to cover it up.

a guy kills 20 terrorists and 12 innocent civilians in Afghanistan with a drone strike and is called a hero. while Dorner goes on a manhunt at officials who knowingly corrupt justice and he is called a murderer for it, what a difference borders make eh?

I have yet to listen to everything about the Dorner siege. Till then, I'll refrain from judgement. Every time someone dies while in a confrontation with the authorities doesn't mean the authorities are always going to be in the wrong.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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The cops were caught frantically and hysterically demanding to burn down the cabin... it's all there. Guilty.

I doubt Dorner would have peaceably surrendered, even if given the opportunity.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

No, he would have used his court case as a platform.

Did you pay attention to the facts of this case? Dorner killed an innocent man and his fiance. Their only crimes were being related to someone who Dorner felt had wronged him. He killed them intentionally, not by accident or as "collateral damage" from some act designed to kill someone who supposedly deserved to die.

The police is not supposed to be herding people into burning buildings! The police has done a marvellous job here, they have made Dorner's vendetta seem like a far lesser danger.

don't mistake me for condoning the man's actions.

Moreover, attacking him for insubordination... for refusing to obey the Mafia code of silence! The police ought not to have such a code.

That is absolutely true. And it goes beyond just silence. Here in Spokane, when a police officer had killed a mentally ill off duty janitor Named Otto Zehm, the higher ups in the department had claimed Zehm had first attacked the officer. In fact, the convenience store security camera showed a very different story - of Zehm being struck in the head from behind. When the police officer was convicted, the rest of the Spokane PD in attendance had stood up and saluted him.
I don't see the cops saluting other murderers!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That fireproof ID does sound suspicious, I'll wait on the DNA tests. Maybe attributing too much cleverness to the man, bit IIRC his targets went into hiding, and his "death" would tend to bring them back into the open. I gotta give him, he got the LAPD to shoot some innocent people and get taped talking about murdering him rather than trying to capture him, which I'd have to call a success given his stated motivations.