Completely absurd US Senate hearing re: gun control.

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28 Feb 2013, 4:35 am

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... n/1950715/

I was watching the CBS evening news this afternoon, and the top story was the father of one of the Sandy Hook victims losing it at Feinstein's latest gun bashing hearing. Do I think less of the father for getting emotional because he lost his son? Obviously not. However, i'm pretty sure the dems pushed him to say a few things to back them up.

However, the most inane part of the hearing (Feinstein's fake tears notwithstanding) was the footage of a fully automatic M4A1 being fired at a range and being passed off as a "multicaliber friendly" AR15 and Senator Feinstein saying that it was perfectly legal.

The hearing was not short of a good moment. Senator Graham and Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn went back and forth for an extended period re: background checks.


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28 Feb 2013, 8:58 am

There were some great lines that hearing...this one from Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn particularly defines the point well:

" How many people have to get murdered in a mass murder for it to be enough? Is twenty babies enough to say these implements of murder should not be distributed? That's what we are asking! "

And to sum up, this quote from Democrat, Sen. Richard Blumenthal

" The effect is very powerful," he said. "And the reason is that they understand that this issue is a moral one. It's about doing the right thing and that the political calculus is difficult to predict, but the right side clearly is trying to save lives and prevent gun violence."



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28 Feb 2013, 9:25 am

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28 Feb 2013, 10:33 am

Being from Milwaukee, I have some experiences with Ed Flynn and the MPD. The man is a disgusting and corrupt individual, a proven liar, that runs a criminal police force. I'm not surprised he's the man Democrats would champion, he's the poster boy for the new police state. People that think he's a guy they want to support should look closely at his conduct as police chief and the conduct of the MPD.

Richard Blumenthal? Isn't that the guy who lied about serving in Vietnam? He's going to lecture me on moralty?



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28 Feb 2013, 5:23 pm

J-Greens wrote:
There were some great lines that hearing...this one from Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn particularly defines the point well:

" How many people have to get murdered in a mass murder for it to be enough? Is twenty babies enough to say these implements of murder should not be distributed? That's what we are asking! "

And to sum up, this quote from Democrat, Sen. Richard Blumenthal

" The effect is very powerful," he said. "And the reason is that they understand that this issue is a moral one. It's about doing the right thing and that the political calculus is difficult to predict, but the right side clearly is trying to save lives and prevent gun violence."


What part of "Your safety is irrelevant when it infringes on my right to own whatever I want" are you not getting? It is not about preventing death, they don't care about that, it is about CONTROL.


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28 Feb 2013, 6:39 pm

PM wrote:
it is about CONTROL.


And the banks have shown that control is actually needed. If anything it's all about TRUST. I TRUST the police and the law.



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28 Feb 2013, 7:45 pm

J-Greens wrote:
PM wrote:
it is about CONTROL.


And the banks have shown that control is actually needed. If anything it's all about TRUST. I TRUST the police and the law.


Control is needed? Trusting the police and the law? Are you freaking kidding me?

I have not trusted the police since every cop I am related to has likened them to crooks and bullies. The law...HA. Current laws are in place to protect the rich from the poor, nothing else.


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28 Feb 2013, 9:33 pm

J-Green, have you dealt with the police before? Admittedly every department is different from the next. The bigger the department, the more likely it has its fair share of corrupt cops and worse, corrupt leaders.

I've seen enough news stories from all over the US to see that there is a surprising amount of corrupt policemen in our midst and they have a system in place to protect them. Stories about cops speeding and killing pedestrians while in police vehicles, cops drinking on the job, cops raiding the wrong house, raids where they shoot the suspects with no provocation and the only reason they got busted was because one of the people got away after being wounded, cops who chase people and shoot them on the street, cops who shoot peoples dogs because the dogs were barking at them, cops who shoot at random trucks that aren't even the same make or color as the suspects. The list goes on. Hell, there was even a cop in my town who got busted raping women WHILE ON DUTY. He'd pull them over, force them out the car and rape them on the side of the road.

My favorite story was a city cop who was going 100+ mph in a police vehicle, without his lights on and was chased by a state trooper. After he gets to his destination (a dentist appointment, IIRC), trooper arrested his ass on the spot. The guy acted like he did nothing wrong and that he was allowed to put peoples lives in danger because he had a badge. The video from the trooper dash cam showed it all.

Sadly, most of the cops I mentioned only got a slap on the wrist and suspension WITH PAY. The cop in my town went to prison, thankfully.



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28 Feb 2013, 10:15 pm

J-Greens wrote:
... control is actually needed.


I'd like to see what proposed law would have stopped Adam Lanza.

I'd also like to see what proposed [or passed] law will stop the next massacre, whether it's in the US, UK or some other country.

The answer of course is none.

Now, to tackle "gun violence" in the US, especially in poorer urban areas where it's the most common; firearms are only a single facet of that (and they're also there on the illegal market, so laws passed won't have much of an effect in the near and perhaps distant future, since they're already circulating). The US is probably seeing the effects of early racial segregation now in those areas more than anything else.



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28 Feb 2013, 10:42 pm

All in all we're better of with cops than without.
Still they are not responsible for or capable of protecting the individual.


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01 Mar 2013, 1:00 am

Raptor wrote:
All in all we're better of with cops than without.
Still they are not responsible for or capable of protecting the individual.


The once respectable position of Police Officer has taken a nose dive after officers in the mold of these two guys retired and died off:

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01 Mar 2013, 2:06 am

J-Greens wrote:
I TRUST the police and the law.


And if I could carry a cop around with me, I wouldn't need a gun.


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01 Mar 2013, 3:47 am

Pileo wrote:
J-Green, have you dealt with the police before?


One weekend where on a Sunday early early morning, I staggered home, only to find my wallet missing. I phoned the police to report it missing, and blocked my debit card over the phone to the bank. 21:53, Sunday evening - a policeman knocks on my door, wallet in hand with all my cash, cards and photos stuffed inside, said it was dropped outside the nightclub I left before getting in a taxi...

Whilst during work, obviously, the police are infinitely helpful. I think the irish would say, we have a good craic...

So, I work with them, I help them and vice versa, trust them? Absolutely.



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01 Mar 2013, 3:52 am

Dillogic wrote:
I'd like to see what proposed law would have stopped Adam Lanza.


A wider, stricter version of the Firearms Act 1997.
Job done, lives saved. Easy peasy.



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01 Mar 2013, 10:17 am

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How willfully naive......
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How willfully naive......
:roll: :roll:


Not to mention an utterly draconian nanny state.


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