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Thank you for your honesty. "Didn't understand"? That is perhaps open to question. Your comment about "using" beings from the accounts of an ancient faith other than one's own is perhaps a fair one. C. S. Lewis was actually into much "pagan" (sorry if term offends; I needed to encapsulate Classical, i.e. Graeco-Roman, Norse, and Celtic mythology) myth and legend at a time in his childhood/adolescence when he had abandoned his Christian faith and before rediscovering it as an adult. Actually you may have further cause for wrath and indignation agains the man as you learn some more about him. Having been devoted the books as a child I will have to acknowledge that I am not exactly unbiased here, though I am perfectly willing to conceded grave flaws in C. S. Lewis as a human being, but being flawed myself, I believe that I need to be wary of judgement, particularly as this has been one of my besetting sins in the past. I think it might be worth at least giving the books a trial and perhaps reading some other material by and about him (you may, of course, very well end up hating him even more as a result, but at least it will be considered hatred). Then again, doing the same to any author one might end up rather limiting the books one could actually enjoy as stories in their own right. I am perfectly happy to enjoy the works of authors whom I might not agree with or admire on a whole range of areas and levels.

Well there is a reason C.S. Lewis is considered one of worst authors of the 20th century.

His work was slathered with untermeschen feelings towards anyone who wasn't Christian.

He reminds me of Hitler's minister of Propganda.

If you make the choice to drink the cool-aide, you're a ret*d.

Get a new catch phase.

Your just beating a dead horse.

Now you are just courting controversy for no visible motive. Considering your own broad generalisations in another forum concerning the differences between the understanding of God in Islam, Christianity and Judaism which you made NO effort to back up with evidence from primary sources, whether the texts sacred to the faiths in question or the words or actions of individuals of your acquaintance of the three faiths, comparing C. S. Lewis with Goebbels is just a little too rich. No, I am not being so foolish and slanderously wicked as to say you are on a par with Goebbels either, obviously that would be patently ridiculous, it is clear you reject such poisonous views. I am prepared to concede many faults for Lewis, but your statement of "one of the worst authors of the twentieth century" (how wide a continuum are we speaking of here?) strikes me as somewhat excessive. Obviously you are entitled to your opinion, as I am to my rebuttal. Sorry if my temper has clouded my judgement on this occasion. I think AspiefortheLord might appreciate us returning to the opening topic, continuing other disputes in another thread or by private message. By the way, apologies to the latter concerning any misunderstandings. Still, some of your posts did seem to unambiguously identify the difference between love and lust as consisting of the difference between Christian and non-Christian. Clearly this impression, in the light of other posts was an inaccurate one. Which passage of Scripture in particular concerning agape (pure unconditional love) were you thinking of?

Thank you for missing the point. Good luck getting old.

my definition of Pure love.....

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1 Corinthians 13


The Way of Love

13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
13:2 And if I have prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so that I can remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
13:3 If I give away everything I own, and if I give over my body in order to boast, but do not have love, I receive no benefit.

13:4 Love is patient, love is kind, it is not envious. Love does not brag, it is not puffed up.
13:5 It is not rude, it is not self-serving, it is not easily angered or resentful.
13:6 It is not glad about injustice, but rejoices in the truth.
13:7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

13:8 Love never ends. But if there are prophecies, they will be set aside; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be set aside.
13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part,
13:10 but when what is perfect comes, the partial will be set aside.
13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways.
13:12 For now we see in a mirror indirectly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I have been fully known.
13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.
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to me love is this, and using this you can find what is love and lust.... there have been times in my life i thought i was 'in love' but it was just lust really.... if you possess all the qualities above with your feelings towards a person, then its love, whether or not you are christian... remember, that i NEVER SAID (lol, i wonder if Jesus will say that at the judgement) that non-christians cannot know love, in fact i could give you an exaustive list of people from many different faiths who do know love (or did while they were alive).

Scrapheap, Flagg, and Sinsboldly, if i have offended you i am sorry, if you have taken what i have said in a way i didnt mean, again i am sorry... but i have never attacked your various faiths whether it be pagan, Atheism or that Flying Spaghetti Monster is the only true god. while it is true i dont hold the faith you do, i have been respectful of your beliefs, and i would like it if you gave me the same courtesy...

Scrapheap, your insult hurt me deeply, mostly because my brother was born with Cerebal Palsy, and i was constantly called it because i was always standing up for him both as school and around the area i lived. ok there was no way you could have known this, but maybe next time you could consider your insults carefully before slinging them so flippantly.

lastly i would like so say, that despite our varying faiths, we are ALL affected by persecution and the lack of tolerance for our condition out there in the offline world, can we not at least be there for each other instaid of becoming like them?

I already said all is forgiven.

The thing with Alexanderthesolitary was a bout of rage after I heard BSG is gone till' 2008.

I tend to agree with the italicized phrases.

And the statement intolerance of the various faiths (Or lack thereof) is a major problem that all sides have (RSS, 700 Club, Al-Queda etc....)

the way i see it is, i do not judge, it is simply not my place... the only being worthy to do so is god (if he exists). all i have are opinions and views, but because i am 'inside' it all along with every other human being, i am biased (but then so is everyone else). all i can do is believe what i believe, follow what i believe... and let god (/the gods/entropy/the great cat god) decide what is right or not.

it can be said that if all christians were judged on their theology, we would ALL go to hell.... just as well its decided on other factors

One does have to wonder how a thread on "Dating and Church Life" wandered down the path of religious attacks. Looking this topic over, it's still hard to see why these debates even got started here.

It's sort of like "Godwin's Law"

Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies

Indeed, very much like 'Godwin's Law', however... as is was aimed at an off topic argument, it does not have any bearing to the threads closure...

It does, The version of "Godwin's Law" that applies to religious threads is called the "Inevitable Flamewar Law"

A flame war will break if ANY of those words are mentioned, there are no exceptions. It's like a timebomb

-Atheist
-God
-Pray
-Bible
-Jehovah's Witnesses
-Quran
-Torah
-Kabbalah
-Allah
-Jesus
-Psalm
-C.S. Lewis
-Theology
-Chuck Norris
-700 Club
-Satan
-Cow
-Disco
-LUE
-Wang

lol.... anyway back to the original intention of the thread

Fine

And my plan to turn this is into a usernet discussion was going so well...

To me the answer obvious.

Get a new church.

Really, would your God care who you dated if you loved them?

as long as they were christian he would be ok with that.... but i mentioned this above...

but i leave it to god, he will know best really