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I don't expect much to come out of the IRS investigation even if Obama directly ordered it. It's impossible to know since underlings will take the bullet and keep their mouths shut, the difference between Obama and Nixon is that there is no smoking gun to nail Obama down like Nixon and those tapes. I doubt they fill find any I think the GOP would be foolish to try to pin it on one person since it won't be anyone of importance rather they should use this scandal to shape policy when it comes to taxes and to further underline how you cannot trust government. Obama's little speech about not listening to those who 'warn of tyranny always being around the corner" certainly looks foolish now.
It seems to be a real question of how involved Obama is running the White House I guess, it seems that way all over the upper parts of the administration like AG Holder and that former IRS commissioner. They all don't know or don't remember. Jon Stewart said it best, Obama is either Nixon or Mr. Magoo. It's hard too say which, government can be so god damn incompetent and evil at the same time. They need to push for a special prosecutor since DOJ under Obama cannot be trusted. How Holder still has a job is beyond me after all his scandals, Obama's loyalty knows no bounds I guess.
Benghazi is the scandal the GOP should pursue since it goes directly to the top of the State Department and the Obama administration and there is questions of an actual cover up. Personally I believe there is A LOT more to the story and the CIA's involvement should be pursued. Will that happen? I don't know.
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Well, Republicans like Boehner and Bachmann are talking about people being sent to prison already, even without there being any investigation, or trials, for that matter.
And as far as Benghazi is concerned, we know now that the CIA had f'd up iinitial reports, then tried to rewrite said reports, as I understand it. Obama wouldn't be the first President to be screwed over by the Agency - despite taking responsibility for the Bay of Pigs disaster, Kennedy privately realized the CIA had lied to him, and had tried to manipulate him into sending in the US military to take over from the floundering Cuban exiles. That CIA scheme obviously hadn't worked.
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And as far as Benghazi is concerned, we know now that the CIA had f'd up iinitial reports, then tried to rewrite said reports, as I understand it. Obama wouldn't be the first President to be screwed over by the Agency - despite taking responsibility for the Bay of Pigs disaster, Kennedy privately realized the CIA had lied to him, and had tried to manipulate him into sending in the US military to take over from the floundering Cuban exiles. That CIA scheme obviously hadn't worked.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I wouldn't heed much attention to Boner or Bachmann on much unless you want a laugh.
I believe that CIA was doing something in Benghazi that they don't want people to know about. Running guns, torture, whatever. Whether or not Obama knew about it is debatable and probably unprovable but it's a willful ignorance at best like the boss of a crime syndicate. I don't think the Obama administration would felt the need to cover it up if it was simply a terrorist attack. The whole David Petraeus resignation seems very very odd, he took issue with the 'talking points' and gets sacked shortly after by an FBI investigation. Interestingly enough, Paula Broadwell(the woman he was involved with) has said the Benghazi annex was actually a CIA prison.
I don't think it's particularly shocking revelation about this CIA black site or what they may of been doing there(god knows it happened plenty under Bush) but they got caught red handed and it would of made both the CIA and the Obama administration look very very bad with an election happening shortly after. I think heads should roll at the highest levels if this scandal happened the way I believe it did, we cannot tolerate this simply because abuses happened under Bush as well
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And as far as Benghazi is concerned, we know now that the CIA had f'd up iinitial reports, then tried to rewrite said reports, as I understand it. Obama wouldn't be the first President to be screwed over by the Agency - despite taking responsibility for the Bay of Pigs disaster, Kennedy privately realized the CIA had lied to him, and had tried to manipulate him into sending in the US military to take over from the floundering Cuban exiles. That CIA scheme obviously hadn't worked.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I wouldn't heed much attention to Boner or Bachmann on much unless you want a laugh.
I believe that CIA was doing something in Benghazi that they don't want people to know about. Running guns, torture, whatever. Whether or not Obama knew about it is debatable and probably unprovable but it's a willful ignorance at best like the boss of a crime syndicate. I don't think the Obama administration would felt the need to cover it up if it was simply a terrorist attack. The whole David Petraeus resignation seems very very odd, he took issue with the 'talking points' and gets sacked shortly after by an FBI investigation. Interestingly enough, Paula Broadwell(the woman he was involved with) has said the Benghazi annex was actually a CIA prison.
I don't think it's particularly shocking revelation about this CIA black site or what they may of been doing there(god knows it happened plenty under Bush) but they got caught red handed and it would of made both the CIA and the Obama administration look very very bad with an election happening shortly after. I think heads should roll at the highest levels if this scandal happened the way I believe it did, we cannot tolerate this simply because abuses happened under Bush as well
I just don't see Benghazi as a CIA secret prison - after all, the media was all over the place there hours after the attack. This would have been the story of the decade had it been any proof this had been a prison. Most secret Agency prisons are in places like Slovakia or other former East Block countries that are now trying to make nice with us for aid.
And when did Paula Broadwell make this claim - before of after the attack?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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And as far as Benghazi is concerned, we know now that the CIA had f'd up iinitial reports, then tried to rewrite said reports, as I understand it. Obama wouldn't be the first President to be screwed over by the Agency - despite taking responsibility for the Bay of Pigs disaster, Kennedy privately realized the CIA had lied to him, and had tried to manipulate him into sending in the US military to take over from the floundering Cuban exiles. That CIA scheme obviously hadn't worked.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I wouldn't heed much attention to Boner or Bachmann on much unless you want a laugh.
I believe that CIA was doing something in Benghazi that they don't want people to know about. Running guns, torture, whatever. Whether or not Obama knew about it is debatable and probably unprovable but it's a willful ignorance at best like the boss of a crime syndicate. I don't think the Obama administration would felt the need to cover it up if it was simply a terrorist attack. The whole David Petraeus resignation seems very very odd, he took issue with the 'talking points' and gets sacked shortly after by an FBI investigation. Interestingly enough, Paula Broadwell(the woman he was involved with) has said the Benghazi annex was actually a CIA prison.
I don't think it's particularly shocking revelation about this CIA black site or what they may of been doing there(god knows it happened plenty under Bush) but they got caught red handed and it would of made both the CIA and the Obama administration look very very bad with an election happening shortly after. I think heads should roll at the highest levels if this scandal happened the way I believe it did, we cannot tolerate this simply because abuses happened under Bush as well
I just don't see Benghazi as a CIA secret prison - after all, the media was all over the place there hours after the attack. This would have been the story of the decade had it been any proof this had been a prison. Most secret Agency prisons are in places like Slovakia or other former East Block countries that are now trying to make nice with us for aid.
And when did Paula Broadwell make this claim - before of after the attack?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The timing is even more interesting, Broadwell made these comments on October 26 of last year and Petraeus was forced to resign November 9th. Actually looking into to it, the CIA having a prison in Libya would violate Executive Order 13491, not only would it make them look bad before an election but they broke the law.
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And as far as Benghazi is concerned, we know now that the CIA had f'd up iinitial reports, then tried to rewrite said reports, as I understand it. Obama wouldn't be the first President to be screwed over by the Agency - despite taking responsibility for the Bay of Pigs disaster, Kennedy privately realized the CIA had lied to him, and had tried to manipulate him into sending in the US military to take over from the floundering Cuban exiles. That CIA scheme obviously hadn't worked.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I wouldn't heed much attention to Boner or Bachmann on much unless you want a laugh.
I believe that CIA was doing something in Benghazi that they don't want people to know about. Running guns, torture, whatever. Whether or not Obama knew about it is debatable and probably unprovable but it's a willful ignorance at best like the boss of a crime syndicate. I don't think the Obama administration would felt the need to cover it up if it was simply a terrorist attack. The whole David Petraeus resignation seems very very odd, he took issue with the 'talking points' and gets sacked shortly after by an FBI investigation. Interestingly enough, Paula Broadwell(the woman he was involved with) has said the Benghazi annex was actually a CIA prison.
I don't think it's particularly shocking revelation about this CIA black site or what they may of been doing there(god knows it happened plenty under Bush) but they got caught red handed and it would of made both the CIA and the Obama administration look very very bad with an election happening shortly after. I think heads should roll at the highest levels if this scandal happened the way I believe it did, we cannot tolerate this simply because abuses happened under Bush as well
I just don't see Benghazi as a CIA secret prison - after all, the media was all over the place there hours after the attack. This would have been the story of the decade had it been any proof this had been a prison. Most secret Agency prisons are in places like Slovakia or other former East Block countries that are now trying to make nice with us for aid.
And when did Paula Broadwell make this claim - before of after the attack?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The timing is even more interesting, Broadwell made these comments on October 26 of last year and Petraeus was forced to resign November 9th. Actually looking into to it, the CIA having a prison in Libya would violate Executive Order 13491, not only would it make them look bad before an election but they broke the law.
But that's another thing - was there nearly enough time for the CIA to even set up a prison facility from the time of Qaddafi's fall, to the 9/11 attack? And if it was a prison, wouldn't there have been crispy corpses of the prisoners?
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What does a CIA prison look like? It's hard to say, it could be as crude as handcuffing and blindfolding some in a locked room. Broadwell implied that they attack happened to break out militia fighters that CIA was detaining at the annex. There is also talk that weapons used to overthrow Gaddafi were being transfered from the Benghazi facility to Syrian rebels via Turkey. Will we ever really know was happening in Benghazi? Maybe not but we do know that we were lied to and their was no spontaneous protest to some random anti-Islam Youtube video. In the end 4 Americans are dead and some poor sap in California is still in prison for making a Youtube video.
Your new tax will discourage consumption, and our economy is largely dependent upon consumption.
Increased savings means greater production and future consumption.
Nonsense. Right now there's too much money chasing too few investment opportunities.
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But how reliable of a witness is Broadwell? And I can't get over the feeling that she's implying that the dead US personnel had it cumming if this is true.
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But how reliable of a witness is Broadwell? And I can't get over the feeling that she's implying that the dead US personnel had it cumming if this is true.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I don't think there would be any reason for her to make that up and she did have intimate access to the head of the CIA. I don't believe she was implying that those 4 dead had it coming in any way. I remember her from interviews she gave about the book she wrote about General Petraeus and she came off as a true believer in the mission.
Your new tax will discourage consumption, and our economy is largely dependent upon consumption.
Increased savings means greater production and future consumption.
Nonsense. Right now there's too much money chasing too few investment opportunities.
If we get the government and their Cronies out of the way there might be more investment opportunities to profitably invest in.
ruveyn
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Quack cures like fen-phen? Oh wait, I think the FDA approved that drug. The FDA is in the pockets of the big pharmaceutical, they protect their profits and stifle competition.
Lets all thank the FDA tho, where would be if they didn't protect us from the scourge of raw milk?
When it's a legal taxation through representation, it doesn't qualify as theft.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Bulshit on a sandwich. Rationalizing crap. Individual consent is the only valid consent. The social contract is for w*kers and mystics. Leviathan be slain, that evil dragon of chaos.
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