FL teen "sex criminal" for consensual relationship

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Asinine at best. And, my now standard reply for government overreach: Rope!

Some of those countries have close-in-age exemptions.

In Spain, it's iffy. If the parents complain and the girl is under 16, you're knackered. You can't just go and have a relationship with a 13-year-old as a fully grown man.

Austria has a close-in-age exemption of three years. Also, if a girl is under 16 and is considered not to be fully able to consent to the act, it's punishable.

Germany's age of consent is 14, however it's considered frowned upon for those people over the age of 21 to sleep with a 14-year-old, and I suspect that if the parents complain, you're stuffed. There is a specific law that means that an adult must not exploit a 14–15 year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, or be in a position where trust can be easily exploited.

Also, in Portugal, it's questionable whether an adult sleeping with a 14-year-old would be legal if it is at all considered to be "by taking advantage of their inexperience".

I appreciate eric76's insights and research, and he is absolutely correct.

At this point there is no way that a sexual relationship between the two individuals could be legal.

So, someone made a decision to continue a situation that was and is against the law.

If the younger girl's parents made all of the efforts stated earlier to curtail it, both girls must have known what their next step would be.
The school MUST have notified the older girl's parents of what actions were being taken.
Legally, the younger girl's parents have a right to take these steps.
I was wrong previously in assuming that there were legal options to emancipate her, and I appreciate being corrected.
If the older girl was 18, and the younger was 14, I think that the relationship should have been curtailed.
Fourteen is too young, period.
My question now is, 'Did the younger girl's parents know they were 'dating', or did they think that this was a friendship?'



Sylkat

Well it looks like the case will go to trial, now that Kaitlyn Hunt has refused the plea deal.

Kaitlyn Hunt will not take plea deal

This isn't going to end well for her. At trial, all her defense team will be able to do is pound their fists on the table & cry "outrage". And this whole thing IS outrageous, but the letter of the law was violated, & she's not going to get much sympathy from a Florida jury. She WILL be convicted & face a lengthy prison sentence, then be forced to wear the modern-day equivalent of the scarlet letter in being required to register as a sex offender for the rest of her life.

Remember, in the U.S. criminal justice system, prosecutors hold almost all the power. The right to jury trial & the presumption of innocence exist only on paper. In practice the prosecutor simply tells the defendant what the sentence will be, & if the defendant refuses to accept it & plead guilty, he/she then gets hit with additional charges. And because the prosecution can stack charge after charge in this manner, it almost guarantees conviction at trial, & then a truly draconian sentence. Because of this, 97% of criminal cases never go to trial in the U.S. Thus, because a system like this is so tilted in favor of the prosecution, effectively it means that defendants are presumed guilty.

As for this case, my guess is that a majority of Americans would consider this prosecution to be right & just, that she is getting what she deserves for her immoral & illegal sexual behavior. Just like the p**** Riot girls in Russia, she may well become a cause celebre in Europe, but that won't be much consolation while she's serving her time.

Exactly.



I’m not sure how far you’d have to go using the resources I mentioned. It probably varies from case to case. I’m just arguing against the claim that it’s impossible to stop them, and, as far as my argument is concerned, how damaging it is to them doesn’t matter, because I think the purpose of not letting them take control of their own sexuality and live it is already harmful, rather than beneficial.



So when are you ready? And who decides it? Your parents can simply decide you’re not, no matter your age, so forget about sex till you no longer need anything from them.

Besides, experience is usually considered very important, so, as time goes on and you still have none, you’ll also be less and less ready compared to your peers.



There may be such a trend, but there’s no need to do that. Just enable them to have sex safely and without shame, so they don’t have to hide from you the very fact that they have it (I’m not talking about giving “free shows”; just that they don’t have to do it in nasty environments, where it’d be most dangerous), and let them choose when and with whom, and learn from those experiences.

Moreover, doesn’t it sometimes work the other way round, i.e. you have sex with someone and then the feelings develop?



This is a different matter. I don’t think the state should forbid adults to take drugs, but what minors are allowed to do is their parents’ business.

I also think there’s a huge difference between sex and drugs. Sex is completely natural, its essence lies in our own bodies, and, if you avoid STDs and unwanted pregnancies, it’s actually beneficial for your health. As far as I know, drugs always do some kind of harm (with the possible exception of alcohol in small amounts, but it’s still bacteria’s waste), and we don’t naturally like them, but condition ourselves against this tendency. I haven’t undergone such “training”, so alcohol still tastes quite badly to me (I can tolerate it mixed with other flavors, but that’s all), and any kind of smoke not coming from incense is at best a nuisance in my lungs.

I'm not sure if anybody answered your question. Traditionally societies would marry off their children (particularly girls) when they were young teenagers. Women stop growing between 16-18. In the modern era it's been found that only when a woman attains the age of 18 is her menstruation/periods under some control, if she gets pregnant then there is a higher risk of complications such as bladder leaking etc the further under 18 the girl is. Finally there is a general consensus there is significant attainment of cognitive awareness at the age of 18.

Of course this will vary from individual, I suspect most women are mature physically by the age of 16.

Are 18 yr olds mature enough to withstand exploitation? I think that's up for debate. Younger developing minds (particularly extrovert personality types) tend to have an openness to explore new things and take risks.

You're wrong, a grown man can shag a 13 year old. It's only illegal if they use "deceit". Read Wikipedia:

"An individual who, by use of deceit, commits sexual abuse with a person over thirteen years and under sixteen years, will be punished with imprisonment for one or two years, or a fine equivalent to twelve to twenty-four months...)"

No mention of the parents complaining.



Wrong again. The "close-in-age" exemption is for people under 14. A 50 year old man can shag a 14 year old as long as she is "sufficiently mature to understand the significance of the act" (wikipedia again).



That's speculation. And irrelevant from a legal perspective.



Wikipedia say's only the child can complain, not their parents: "as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14–15 year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense in and of itself."



Naa, it's 14 with no strings attached.

Three years probation and she had better not contect the girl again.

From http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10016885.html:

Eh, the lifetime sex offender registration was the thing that bothered me the most, I guess it could have been much worse taking into account Florida law.