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you cite theoretical physics as the reason why science is wrong and yet every aspect where science DOESN'T fail you ignore.


i'm sorry i'm not a science major...and especially sorry i'm not a physics major so i could shut you up because it's just the same ignorant arguments i've seen before from christians (especially from the bible belt and from the south). i know you're wrong about what you're saying, though....mainly because i have read various articles before on subatomic physics and theories and because your argument is the same that creationists use against science when trying to "debunk" evolution.


it's the chewbaccca defense (as made famous by south park).



for those unfamiliar with that defense technique (one of the few south park clips completely clean and safe for work, home, and play)......



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGhDPVWhnl4[/youtube]

Back to the topic.

Familiar spirits can be difficult to cast out because the person wants it. The person has to reject it for it to be cast out. It goes very quickly after that.

Why would anyone want a demon in them?
1. guardian angels. These are fallen angels that offer to help the people -- for a time.
2. invisible playmates. They offer companionship to a lonely child. Unlike an alternate personality, the person realizes that this one isn't human.
3. sources of power, influence and strength to an insecure person.
4. sources of delusions of grandeur for people with low self-esteem
5. offer of death for someone who is tired of life
6. sources of sex

In all cases it is a Faustian bargain. The demons know what they are doing; the human doesn't. These demons feel like they are feeding pigs for the future slaughter. The demons have been around for centuries. They are waiting to harvest this soul for their own purposes.

In the meantime, they are in this human and are able to lie to them, get them involved with other demons and do damage to humans through them.

God is a gentleman and won't violate the freewill he has given each one of us. If someone chooses to come to him, he will bless them. If someone chooses to spend their days helping demons harm humans and feed them in the end, that is their choice. He loves people enough to let them make their own choices.

The power of God is far greater than all the demons put together. God's justice is unchanging throughout the life of this world. God's promises are immensely powerful for those who use them. Satan only offers cheap counterfeits to what God freely offers through his promises.

For those who have given permissions to demons to enter them, those demons always have a back door through which they can come and go for the rest of the person's life -- or until the person renounces that permission and commands it to go. Just abandoning New Age practices is not enough. The permission remains until it is revoked.

Demonic possession is not a valid psychiatric or medical diagnosis recognized by either the DSM-IV or the ICD-10. Those who profess a belief in demonic possession have sometimes ascribed the symptoms associated with mental illnesses such as hysteria, mania, psychosis, or dissociative identity disorder to possession. There is, however, a mental disease called demonomania or demonopathy. This is a monomania in which the patient believes that he or she is possessed by one or more demons.

From another point of view, those who accuse others of being demon-possessed have to be mentioned too. In cases like those of the witches of Salem, Massachusetts, or the nuns who accused father Urbain Grandier, we are facing a collective hysteria, involving more than one person "contagiously" convinced of that "truth". In particular cases (sometimes a small number of persons, e.g., some members of a family or a small group of friends, but generally one person) the accusation of demon possession is caused because of the diseases above-mentioned or the phenomenon of collective hysteria. Another case that is necessary to mention is that of simulation; simulation is generally considered a psychological alteration of the human behaviour rather than a psychiatric disease, but there are in Medicine cases of simulators mentally ill that act by compulsion. It was common the case of children and teenagers accusing people of having bewitched them and feigning to be demon-possessed, and later apologising for that; unfortunately, due to the processes carried out by the religious tribunals, generally those innocents had already lost their lives, and that was the cause of many of those apologies: the feeling of being guilty, or remorse. There were several cases of simulation in England, most of them between 1533 and 1697, until accusations made by children were prohibited in 1718; there were cases of simulation in France and America too; it is thought that the collective hysteria that generated the accusation against Urbain Grandier was started by a case of simulation. It rests to say that a person easy to influence can be convinced by third parties of being demon-possessed.

Medicine can explain some aspects of the "symptoms" shown by those persons allegedly possessed; it is known that "supernatural strength" is common in some cases of insanity (mania, energumens, etc.).

Science is a pseudo-religion with it's own priesthoods and dogmas and proscribed thinking. There's no point in you quoting scientific creed at religious creed, all you are saying is my religion is better than yours, and it's rather meaningless.

At least christians know they are following a religion, a faith.

there's as much storytelling in science as there is in faith. myth/story is a fundamental human teaching/indoctrination tool, it's everywhere in all societies and all generations. science has plenty of it too.

because the scientific method is the same thing as jesus telling the parable of the mustard seed.


edit: hold up, i'll add a real response in a second.

religion is based on faith. faith is defined by believing in something with a lack of evidence. religion is also defined by its immutable nature and foundation in cult mindstate and repetition.


science is founded and constantly redefined and refined by skepticism. skepticism means questioning everything and requiring evidence. quite the opposite of religion.


run a sink and pray for god to contain it. point being, your argument and views hold no water.

Hi "Parts", you quoted me:

Hi Skafather84. May God bless you!

Hi Skafather. God bless you.

I AM CHEWBACCA!

I FIGHT THE EMPIRE!

I FIX DROIDS!