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23 Nov 2013, 11:11 am

I think that's a stereotype. I'm Christian, and I believe in evolution. Generalizing isn't a positive thing, so you shouldn't think that everyone in a certain group is/thinks/has a certain thing.



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23 Nov 2013, 12:55 pm

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I think that's a stereotype. I'm Christian, and I believe in evolution. Generalizing isn't a positive thing, so you shouldn't think that everyone in a certain group is/thinks/has a certain thing.


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23 Nov 2013, 7:20 pm

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I think that's a stereotype. I'm Christian, and I believe in evolution. Generalizing isn't a positive thing, so you shouldn't think that everyone in a certain group is/thinks/has a certain thing.
For the record when I used to be a christian and just about every church I have attended they would preach against evolution and ram the young earth idea in our heads i failed to believe that even when the pastor preached it also i did my studies on geology reading encyclopedias national geographic magazines watching discovery channel and acing science courses which i was taught about evolution which contradicts the very thing the bible taught of perfect design. I eventually left church and stopped being a christian due to the fact i was starting to get shunned by other christians whenever i mentioned anything relating to evolution and scientific evidence and data regarding how old the real earth is. Every church i have attended and over 90% of people who are christian or claim to be christian or mormon or baptist etc do not believe in evolution and willfully turn away from it and saying those are the teachings of the devil bla bla bla.


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23 Nov 2013, 7:51 pm

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cleverintrovert316 wrote:
I think that's a stereotype. I'm Christian, and I believe in evolution. Generalizing isn't a positive thing, so you shouldn't think that everyone in a certain group is/thinks/has a certain thing.
For the record when I used to be a christian and just about every church I have attended they would preach against evolution and ram the young earth idea in our heads i failed to believe that even when the pastor preached it also i did my studies on geology reading encyclopedias national geographic magazines watching discovery channel and acing science courses which i was taught about evolution which contradicts the very thing the bible taught of perfect design. I eventually left church and stopped being a christian due to the fact i was starting to get shunned by other christians whenever i mentioned anything relating to evolution and scientific evidence and data regarding how old the real earth is. Every church i have attended and over 90% of people who are christian or claim to be christian or mormon or baptist etc do not believe in evolution and willfully turn away from it and saying those are the teachings of the devil bla bla bla.


People in my congregation who buy into creationism/young earth ideas know my support for science, and have no problem with me.


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23 Nov 2013, 8:57 pm

Weird but when I was a Christian back in my youth, I always believed that evolution did and could've coexisted with all the Old Testament history. If I was still in church today, they would have me hanged for even suggesting such an idea.



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24 Nov 2013, 4:56 am

About what aspieotaku, and raisedbyignorance, both said.

I wonder if its a trend.

My grandparents (both born arond the start of the 20th centurey) were strict religous Kansas German methodists ( alot like the Lutheran Norwejians in Garrison Keillor's Lake Wobegon) who never drank. But they never doubted evolution. It just wasnt an issue for them. They werent anti science.One of their sons grew up to a nuclear scientist who helped build the first A bombs.

So it does seem like a recent trend in american churches to rally to this cause of YEC, and evolution denial.



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24 Nov 2013, 5:50 am

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About what aspieotaku, and raisedbyignorance, both said.

I wonder if its a trend.

My grandparents (both born arond the start of the 20th centurey) were strict religous Kansas German methodists ( alot like the Lutheran Norwejians in Garrison Keillor's Lake Wobegon) who never drank. But they never doubted evolution. It just wasnt an issue for them. They werent anti science.One of their sons grew up to a nuclear scientist who helped build the first A bombs.

So it does seem like a recent trend in american churches to rally to this cause of YEC, and evolution denial.

It is likely due to the rise of the peculiar phenomenon known as US evangelicalism in the early 20th century, and with it a renewed position of biblical inerrancy which had otherwise been in decline for centuries.

The prevalence of Evangelicalism in US christianity is likely the primary reason why the support for evolution is so much lower in the US than in other developed countries. There are other groups in the US who are even more anti-evolution (Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses), but these groups are both comparably small compared to Evangelicals.

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24 Nov 2013, 11:57 am

Those who do are rigidly adherent to a documentary thesis of the bible. They're backed into the corner of seeing it as not only the infallible word of God but also the blunt non-allegorical word of God.

That's not all Christians, just those who have a group interpretation of the bibles that causes them to circle the wagons against all proof to the contrary of anything. Suffice to say that by the time you have to suggest that God allowed Satan to plant dinosaur bones, skew carbon dating, and rig science to disprove God then the idea of the very purpose of life becomes such a vain and childish game of 'got ya!' that there's be absolutely no point in the Father sending his Son down to die on the cross for the redemption of the world, particularly a world that he'd work so hard to conspire with Satan at condemning over vain technicalities. By the time your viewpoint necessarily holds God as a tyrant it's time to go back to the drawing board and figure out what went wrong.



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24 Nov 2013, 11:11 pm

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25 Nov 2013, 4:10 am

GGPViper wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
About what aspieotaku, and raisedbyignorance, both said.

I wonder if its a trend.

My grandparents (both born arond the start of the 20th centurey) were strict religous Kansas German methodists ( alot like the Lutheran Norwejians in Garrison Keillor's Lake Wobegon) who never drank. But they never doubted evolution. It just wasnt an issue for them. They werent anti science.One of their sons grew up to a nuclear scientist who helped build the first A bombs.

So it does seem like a recent trend in american churches to rally to this cause of YEC, and evolution denial.

It is likely due to the rise of the peculiar phenomenon known as US evangelicalism in the early 20th century, and with it a renewed position of biblical inerrancy which had otherwise been in decline for centuries.

The prevalence of Evangelicalism in US christianity is likely the primary reason why the support for evolution is so much lower in the US than in other developed countries. There are other groups in the US who are even more anti-evolution (Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses), but these groups are both comparably small compared to Evangelicals.


Cant agree with the Jehova witnesses. Had one in engineer class (environmental development = lots of subject against hardcore creationism idea) with me, and one of her brothers went as well to engineer school. Sure it was god for them, that created everything, and neither did they denie the classic Genesis story. But for them its simply as well a fact that bible has his origin by god, but was written and inherited by humans, who wrote it down the way they understood it. So Genesis is not wrong, but very simplified. A "day" = a chapter of creation of earth.



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25 Nov 2013, 9:27 pm

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25 Nov 2013, 11:00 pm

I'm not a comedian, a troll or uneducated. I'm incredibly informed about the truth and if anyone believes that my Jesus or anyone in our world came from a stupid monkey they are dumb and deserve what they get after death. I'm going to be a christian musician and a preacher one of these days and my favorite topic is HELL.



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25 Nov 2013, 11:14 pm

here is a good verse that answers the topic question

1 Tim. 1:4

"and not to occupy themselves with myths and endless genealogies that promote speculations rather than the divine training[a] that is known by faith."



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26 Nov 2013, 12:04 am

fortydaysthree wrote:
I'm not a comedian, a troll or uneducated. I'm incredibly informed about the truth and if anyone believes that my Jesus or anyone in our world came from a stupid monkey they are dumb and deserve what they get after death. I'm going to be a christian musician and a preacher one of these days and my favorite topic is HELL.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLsOGgkytTg[/youtube]I find it by far less believeable that we were just made out of dirt let alone a woman being made out of a mans ribs. The world is more than 6000 years old it is in fact 4.5 billion years old and potasium argon dating has determined that NOT carbon dating. Furthermore if evolution isnt real then how do you explain how bacteria and viruses mutate in order to adapt to changes within the natural surroundings? If it did not mutate it would become extinct.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjxZ6MrBl9E[/youtube]


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26 Nov 2013, 12:12 am

fortydaysthree wrote:
I'm not a comedian, a troll or uneducated. I'm incredibly informed about the truth and if anyone believes that my Jesus or anyone in our world came from a stupid monkey they are dumb and deserve what they get after death. I'm going to be a christian musician and a preacher one of these days and my favorite topic is HELL.


OH OH! Being descended from a monkey is so awful!

But even Genisis says that God fashioned Adam and Eve out of mud.

So how exactly is being a transformed monkey worse than being a transformed lump of mud?