"Crystal Children" Aspies?
Why?
Last night there was quite a ruckus in Facebook "Asperger's in Adults" group because one of these parents who thought their child was a "special need" child, presented a couple of conspiracy theories (vaccinations, medicine corporations, state, bla bla bla), and claimed her son was "cured", so there's hope for all of us.
I brought up this subject here, not to claim Aspies are "crystal children", but to ask your opinion on whether it might be easier to explain the issue to the people who refuse to acknowledge that their child actually needs help.
As I said
Also, they might have noticed something about Aspies the rest of the world hasn't noticed, because you notice different things if you think your child is "neurologically disabled", have a "disease" or needs "special attention" than if you think your child is "the next step in human evolution".
I wouldn't call Aspie kids "perfectly ordinary but unruly" or "plain-as-porridge".
I assume you would agree with me when I say it takes a special sort of a parent to think their child is "a Crystal Child".
I assume that these parents like their child very much and would want what is best for him/her.
I assume that they also vehemently resist any attempt to diagnose their children as Aspies.
Knowing all this, you'd rather insist there is nothing such as "crystal children" and their children are perfectly ordinary plain-as-porridge, and they need to stop fidgeting with pseudoscience,
than accept that these people need to use a different name of the condition, but by allowing this, you'll be able to get correct help for the child?
... for which there is no valid material evidence - none of these things can be demonstrated.
yes, New Age BS.
Exactly. So how about setting up stringent testing protocols that will reliably and repeatedly demonstrate that "New Age BS" is actually valid?
Why would anyone do that? I am not suggesting testing people's ability to levitate, but testing New Age parents' notions of their Aspie-children. They might have noticed something others haven't.
No. Which is more advanced: the person who, when confronted with a stressful situation, will curl up into a ball and rock for hours on end, or the person who confronts the stressful situation and overcomes it?
I wouldn't know. And neither would you. There are different areas in life, and different situations, and what one person is well adjusted to deal with, another isn't. Doesn't make one better than the other, or more generally advanced. The person who confronts the stressful situation and overcomes it, might not be able to handle a different situation, which the stress-intolerant person has no problems with dealing with.
WRONG! If it were so, then children would be able to care for themselves, delay gratification, plan for the future, and discern when they are being taken advantage of.
Not all adults can do that.
The sentence was "Children have feelings, intelligence and morals, they are just like adults, except they are small and inexperienced."
... when a 5-year old can demonstrate adult-like mentation, or at least act responsibly, then maybe they can be treated in an adult-like manner ... maybe ...
Most adults don't act responsibly. But you probably treat other adults differently, because they are not acting as responsible adults or are addicted to this or that, or are naïve, or cannot take care of themselves due to physical or mental handicap, or for what ever reason.
No person is born to be anything. There is no fixed "destiny" or "fate" other than an eventual death.
That's what you believe. Some people believe differently.
Pure speculation. No one can foretell the future - one can speculate, and events may coincidentally or intentionally work out that way - but there is no way to determine what will happen with absolute certainty.
Of course it's pure speculation.
The only thing you've said that makes sense so far.
I'd say the only thing you understand.
Do you believe that Jesus actually existed as He was depicted in the Bible?
No. I believe there never was a Jesus as depicted in the Bible, or more precisely, "Jesus" is a fictional character composed of myths mixed with some actual events and real people. But I said "IF you believe THAT BS..." If not, then the following question is irrelevant.
I don't know anything about what Shirley Maclaine would consider this to be, and I don't care, either.
Actually it is. There are people out there who believe it. That's the reality.
Many happened to be autistic/aspie traits.
And you give an interminably long laundry list of traits.
It's not interminably long. The list has an end.
What date did this current model of babies start coming off the assembly line?
According to the person who I assume invented the idea, this model started coming off the assembly line in the end of 1990's.
Not every baby born "now", just some. They don't give any percentage.
Or are you talking about a new kind of child that never existed before- but is still a minority of children born today?
In other words: what the H are you talking about?
They say this kind of children didn't exist earlier, that it's the "next phase of spiritual evolution" or some other such thing. H is probably a correct term.
It's not a question of "something", but "most things". I said 3/4 of the non-NABS (New Age BS).
Detroit?
As far as I know, there are no Crystal Children. As far as I know, this is a completely invented term, for reasons I don't know and don't care either, but I have already answered to the question of what use it is as a category. To help in communicating with people who do believe this stuff.
Thats like saying " the unicorns must have been killed off by the space aliens"- linking one unknown with another unknown.
Which is why I said to separate things to "New Age BS" and "non-NABS."
I am outside Marin County California. So much so that I don't even understand the reference.
"From Changelings to Crystal Children: An Examination of ‘New Age’ Ideas About Autism" by Mitzi Waltz
Journal of Religion, Disability & Health, Volume 13, Issue 2, 2009
"‘New Age’ belief systems are relatively common, including amongst adherents of traditional religions. This article examines common New Age ideas about autism spectrum disorders. These beliefs are varied, but may include notions of karma, reincarnation, spirit or extraterrestrial possession, and telepathy, as well as recourse to specific types of therapies (notably, humanistic counseling and biomedical interventions, including bodywork, “detoxification” and special diets). It also considers the impact these may have on parents of children with autism spectrum disorders (ASD), on people with autism themselves, and on practitioners who may encounter them in the course of their work."
Dr. Mitzi Waltz is a Senior Lecturer in Autism at the Autism Centre of Sheffield Hallam University in the UK. She is best known for her research in disability studies and particularly on the history of ideas about autism, summarised in the book Autism: A Social and Medical History (Palgrave Macmillan, 2013) and in several academic journal articles.
Previously she was a Lecturer in Autism Studies at the Autism Centre for Education and Research (ACER), University of Birmingham and a Senior Lecturer in Media and Cultural Studies at the University of Sunderland.
Dr Waltz has contributed to many key pieces of autism research and resources, including the Department of Children Schools and Families' Inclusion Development Programmes on working with children and young people with autism. She has written ten books, including three on the autism spectrum and five on other neuropsychiatric conditions.
Wikipedia: Mitzi Waltz
A fictional and extremely lame, facepalm worthy concept
Like most other concepts. Now that that has been abundantly stated, can we get on with the issue itself? Or did you get lost, because your face was covered with your palms, and never noticed the issue?
Although I am religious, this crystal children stuff sounds like a good way to mess up. I mean, if God or Jesus just randomly gave out telepathy and wolverine claws to autistic kids, that would be cool, but we are autistic not eccentric super humans.
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