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14 Oct 2011, 12:10 am

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"Black on white" crime comes nowhere near the enormity of "white on black" crime.


Sources?


Here's just a sample:

http://www.consciousbeingalliance.com/2 ... -on-terror

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... a&aid=7957

slavery today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biEXCEOy ... E9B3F4F8EE


Okay if all of that is true it's terrible, but racism? Aren't both sides black?

Anyhow, you aren't making any sense, I'm not going to change your mind and I've got better things to do with my time than try to "un-brainwash" you. I'm out.


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14 Oct 2011, 12:29 pm

I firmly believe a few things relevant to this question:

1) Human thought is as much a product of environment as it is of instruction. I believe the things that I do, in part, because of the circumstances in which I was raised, was educated and have worked.
2) Human society is tribal. There is the tribe of my family, the tribe of my nationality, the tribe of my co-religionists, the tribe of my professional colleagues and so on.
3) No human beings are capable of disabusing themselves of their biases.

Herein lie the roots of racism, sectarianism, nationalism and all the other ways in which we distinguish "us" from "them." You may well have worked to purge "race" (however you define it) from the calculus of your decision making. But I do not believe for a moment that we--any of use--can every be truly free from tribalism.


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14 Oct 2011, 1:29 pm

TheBrain wrote:
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"Black on white" crime comes nowhere near the enormity of "white on black" crime.


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history -_____-, do you honestly think that there have been as many "black on white" murders and other crimes than "white on black" murders? There has never been a point in time where it was widely excepted to beat and kill "white" colored individuals, can't say the same for brown people. (I don't believe in race, I am just saying) there was the holocaust, in which Jews were being slaughtered and many Jews are considered "white". But that wasn't by blacks of course


You have heard of the Moors, right?

In fact, why don't you go visit practically any African country and see if you still hold that view?


Wow. Once again I'll just say I don't believe in race and I bring this up once more because you bringing up Moors really caught me off guard. Are you serious? (I will now speak in terms of people who do believe in race) Many people I have discussed anything relating to Moors don't even consider them black. I suppose I should have answered the question a little better. As far as going to any African country, you've stumped me there. All I know is what I have read, seen, and heard about in that regard. But since you go to Africa all the time :) , enlighten me more. I still can't say with all that you have thrown out there that the so called "white-on-black-one-white" evens out. I am sure that in Africa there is "black on white crime", but clarify for me what YOU mean by black. Because the way you use the word might be different than what other people consider black. Mediterranean, Arab, North African peoples in many peoples eyes are not considered "black" in the way it is commonly used today. I should probably edit my post, you mentioning Moors helped me realize that we all are arguing in different worlds which is causing confusion. So you get brownie points for that sir...



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19 Oct 2011, 9:55 am

nah, i mean i admit i have had racist thoughts before, but i definitely do believe all races are equal.



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13 Dec 2013, 2:20 am

Personally I had a hard time to understand the concept of race and racism . It never made sence to me as for example.... how is it possible to be white or black? As all humans have the same skin that varies from the darkest brown to lightest brown . Or how it's possible to hate other countries or ethnicities as earth doesn't have borders and people have been moving across countries and continents exchanging genetic material before we even use speech ... So we all basically related to each other . I do understand it now in psychosocial terms as I have read about it but still I can't accep it as there is no logic behind it . Its driven by overwhelming non reasonable emotions based on fear of differences as people grow to believe we are all separated from each other like we are differend spieces. Racism is just not logical



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13 Dec 2013, 3:58 am

Gosh no. We have had a few racist autistic members here and they have all gotten banned for it.


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13 Dec 2013, 7:23 am

I was raised in a home where racial slurs were commonplace to the point I thought everyone talked like that. It was my mom that made a big deal every time I used a racial slur that stopped me from making a habit of it.

I don't dislike people because they have a different skin color. I dislike people when they choose to treat me as though I'm lower than anything human. In my experience, it has just so happened that more black people than white people have treated me like dirt, and it has largely been because I'm white and for no other reason.

So if I harbor any negative racial sentiment, it is because I've directly experienced mistreatment at the hands of one race as opposed to another.

Having said that, there are blacks, and a large number of them, who refuse to be defined by skin color in the surrounding culture. They recognize the stupidity of how some choose to act and decline to participate in THAT culture. I get along just fine with those people. I've since learned that people who act stupid--and it doesn't matter if they're white or black, rich or poor, smart or "slow"--really have no bearing on my life. If you're a hater, I don't have to hang out with you. If you're a hater, I don't have to let your stupid opinion affect me. There is a reason why stupid people never make it beyond where they are in life, and I don't feel the need to justify myself to someone like that.



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13 Dec 2013, 10:23 am

I dont think having a neurological disorder dismisses a person from being racist any more than a Neurotypical being racist. Im not racist myself but there are times I am ashamed of being white due to the history of what whites have done to other races though and wishing I wasnt born white I dont know if thats racist or not to be ashamed of ones own ethnicity.


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13 Dec 2013, 10:29 am

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I know I am. Something tells me this is common among people with ASD/HFA.


Its widely speculated that Hitler was aspie. :roll:


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13 Dec 2013, 10:30 am

I've banned several people from this site for making racist posts, so I'd say people with ASD/HFA are possibly no more immune to racism than the general population.


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13 Dec 2013, 7:50 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
nah, i mean i admit i have had racist thoughts before, but i definitely do believe all races are equal.


All races are equal ?

So, evolution is thrown out?

Open societies and closed societies don't affect evolution? Societies that allow for racial-mixing for better chance at superior humans will be equal to closed single race societies ?

Does not matter that we evolved in different regions of the planet under different climates because we are all the same ?

Nothing affects evolution cause in 10 thousand years. once again "all races are the same"?

Maybe you mean to quantify that statement with perhaps, "... on average, there is a great similarity among all races ..." ,so you can repeat that politically-correct message that you read somewhere ?



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13 Dec 2013, 7:56 pm

TallyMan wrote:
I've banned several people from this site for making racist posts, so I'd say people with ASD/HFA are possibly no more immune to racism than the general population.


I agree. As I understand it, people with Williams syndrome (whose appearance and behavior are believed to inspire the mythology of elves) may be immune to racism, due to their unique socializing tendencies:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podca ... i-10-04-13

I knew a boy I later recognized as having Williams syndrome when I was in 6th grade; he was probably the nicest, most caring friend you could ever have.


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13 Dec 2013, 8:06 pm

It is a string of events that have to happen and can occur in an ASD/AS person I believe.

Yoda warned of the slippery slope.

He warned about
fear --> anger --> hate --> suffering ---> racism (dark side)

I think many series of thought/event occurrences could happen also

suffering ---> anger ----> hate ---->racism
fear --> anger --> hate --> racism
anger ---> hate --> racism
hate --> racism

I don't believe ASD/AS people are immune to anger, hate and suffering. Thus, these can be the starting point to end up at racist thoughts.

A more particular question to ask is if ASD/AS are immune to "blind hate" i.e., do ASD/AS people need a reason to hate , or will the hate by be told to hate alone.
Do they need to start at "suffering", "fear", "anger" or "hate" to arrive at racism, or can they just be racist by being told to be?

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