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26 May 2014, 10:26 am

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WARNING: Post is edited, to be more clear.

The recent Danish EU-election on the European Patent Court, allowing software patents (which basically is the ability to patent thoughts and ideas, not actual inventions), was
carried through by more than 60 % in favor.

I now only have contempt towards the wrong beings being allowed to vote. People who disagree with me, should be banned from voting!

I am NOT in favor of democracy!


You don't seem to know very much about intellectual property law.

From their very beginning in the 15th century, patents have always been available to protect unique processes for producing goods. Some of the very earliest patents are found in the area of Venetian glass making. In english patent law, it was well established by the 18th century that patents could be obtained for improvements to existing inventions, and for general ideas without a demonstrated practical application.

You might not like software patents, but the validity of these is grounded in centuries of European intellectual property law, without which the industrial revolution might never have happened.


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26 May 2014, 11:33 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
The recent Danish EU-election on the European Patent Court, allowing software patents (which basically is the ability to patent thoughts and ideas, not actual inventions), was
carried through by more than 60 % in favor.


I work in software/hardware patent law

Software per se is not patentable in the USA or Europe.

Europe: "Under the EPC, and in particular its Article 52, "programs for computers" are not regarded as inventions for the purpose of granting European patents
source, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_p ... Convention

USA: "The court repeated its earlier holding that mathematical formulas in the abstract are not eligible for patent protection". (software is considered abstract algorithms)
source, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_v._Diehr

For product inventions, software must exist on hardware; it cannot be merely "programs" or "algorithms".

So, how is software executing on a hardware device not an invention ?


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26 May 2014, 8:17 pm

I really hope this is a clumsy attempt at satire.


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26 May 2014, 10:07 pm

Lets see if I can remember the three reasons people think others are wrong...
They think the other person:
1. has low intelligence.
2. hasn't been presented with all the facts, and therefore makes the wrong decision.
3. has been presented with all the facts, but are just sadistic.



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26 May 2014, 10:21 pm

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The right to vote has nothing to do with human rights.
Unless, of course, if those who can cast a qualifed vote on the right candiates and issues, are deprived of that right.

And who should decide whether someone can cast "qualified vote" and who the "right candidates and issues" should be?


Me. Or my elect few.

I am sick and tired of people not doing as I tell them to do.


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Tell us more. It's been a while since this forum has entertained me so; the last time being around the time of your previous hissy-fit and promoting forced starvation for disagreement with your totalitarian views.



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27 May 2014, 2:16 am

Dox47 wrote:
I really hope this is a clumsy attempt at satire.


It is.
Somewhat.



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27 May 2014, 8:16 am

Who died and made you God? ;-)


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27 May 2014, 8:39 am

Everybody MUST have the right to vote; otherwise, we will go back to Monarchies and Feudalism. I don't think many Aspies would survive being serfs.

I'm surprised there aren't patents on software yet. It's the same thing as other inventions which are patented. At least software is copyrighted and trademarked.



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27 May 2014, 9:07 am

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What's the link here? Between the vote result and intelligence, I mean?


"I disagree with the result" -> "The majority of people who voted on this issue were WRONG" -> "The most probable reason for people to be WRONG is lack of the necessary intelligence to be RIGHT"

At least, I'm assuming. :roll:


Either that, or my fellow countrymen are evil!

Either way, an election is good when it gives the desired result. If it doesn't, the election should be declared invalid.


Then why on God's green earth should we waste time on holding one?

Personally, IMO, when it comes to issues that are generally not well understood by laypeople, but where misunderstanding can do real harm, those should be disconnected from the ballot. I'm thinking things like coverage for conditions like HIV infection (which was opposed in the 80s because it was seen as a "gay disease") and gender dysphoria, as well as the ability of scientists to do research into needed areas and present their results. (There should definitely be incentives for politicians to listen to the scientists over the laypeople on certain issues.) The U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights helps with this a bit, but it's a bit outdated, really protecting only negative rights. I think the European framework of human rights is really good and does help to remove a lot of needful things from control by the ballot, such as preventing the rights of minorities from being violated.


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27 May 2014, 12:40 pm

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Then why on God's green earth should we waste time on holding one?


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It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.


Totalitarians have this funny thing about giving the illusion of free choice and then brutally subverting it.



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27 May 2014, 4:23 pm

beneficii wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Dederik wrote:
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What's the link here? Between the vote result and intelligence, I mean?


"I disagree with the result" -> "The majority of people who voted on this issue were WRONG" -> "The most probable reason for people to be WRONG is lack of the necessary intelligence to be RIGHT"

At least, I'm assuming. :roll:


Either that, or my fellow countrymen are evil!

Either way, an election is good when it gives the desired result. If it doesn't, the election should be declared invalid.


Then why on God's green earth should we waste time on holding one?

Personally, IMO, when it comes to issues that are generally not well understood by laypeople, but where misunderstanding can do real harm, those should be disconnected from the ballot. I'm thinking things like coverage for conditions like HIV infection (which was opposed in the 80s because it was seen as a "gay disease") and gender dysphoria, as well as the ability of scientists to do research into needed areas and present their results. (There should definitely be incentives for politicians to listen to the scientists over the laypeople on certain issues.) The U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights helps with this a bit, but it's a bit outdated, really protecting only negative rights. I think the European framework of human rights is really good and does help to remove a lot of needful things from control by the ballot, such as preventing the rights of minorities from being violated.


If our rulers believed in democracy, then they would not subvert public education at every turn as they do.

I would also be somewhat cynical about the EU's immigration policy. Like Hitler, the EU"s long term game plan seems to be to eliminate race and cultural differences. It's just that they are doing it by social engineering and not by genocide (at least domestically) as Hitler did. I also see some incongruity between the EU's official anti racist stance, and European Imperialist wars against brown people.