Why do athiests like to talk about God all the time?

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For myself I am openly hostile toward certain religions and religious viewpoints. Why? Well I find it disturbing that I can be hanged for being at war with god, or that in Australia the government is attempting to sack all the secular school counsellors and replace them with ones from religious organisations, As for the US where government money is only given to religious NGO, where overseas aid to NGO's who provide abortion advice has been withheld due to pressure from religious groups, not to mention the attitude of bible belt school boards in regard to scientific education and the falsification of scientific data by relgious members of the Congress and Senate.

I know many religious people and have no issue with them, simply because someone believes in God does not cause me to assail them, rather it is when people try to push there belief into the lives of everyone that I get fired up. If atheists were not vocal more and more school boards would have followed Dover and lied to there charges about creationism, and who knows what other regressive steps would have been taken in the areas of Women's Rights, Gay Rights, etc.

I also talk about religion and gods because I find other peoples beliefs interesting, Shadi2 why do you think God and not natural non spiritual forces hold everything together? And with regard to evolution have you looked into the area of epigenetics, if you have not I think this may be of interest to you. It is looking likely that parental experiences can be hereditary Prenatal Adversity
Behavioural Epigenetics

I'm not sure what epigenetics have to do with anything that I mentioned (I checked real quick, and I see schyzophrenia, psychopathy, and all sort of "cool" stuff) what are you trying to imply exactly? The only 2 things that I have are anxiety, and thoughts of suicide once in a while. Even when I was very young (as young as 6 year old) I remember thinking of suicide because I was having trouble coping with other kids bullying me.

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Yep I think I misread you, I thought your need for "spiritual evolution" was so that future generations would learn and evolve from past experieces, I see now that you mean there needs to be good afterlife to balance the crap we experience on this earth.

Because we like to have fun disproving him! http://godisimaginary.com/ [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdnl0h61cmc[/youtube]

The arguments are usually this! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ogD0JFAJs[/youtube]

Maybe a subject for another thread, but the 'beardy dude in a boat who survived some kind of flood' was already a meme by the time somebody invented the story of Noah.

And when I say 'invented' I mean 'plagiarised from earlier but equally primitive religions and further embellished', but you could say that for much of the Torah.

I just wanted to acknowledge that I have seen your reply, eventho I said I would leave the discussion. And I'm not going to repeat everything I just explained, I also don't want to get in an argument about this, truly you are entitled to your beliefs (or non-beliefs) and opinion, just as much as I am.

All I will say is that of course future generations will, or should, learn from past experiences as well, it is part of evolution. And I explained that I have other reasons to believe in afterlife (among other things, I believe that this "energy" I mentioned, is not due to the physical form, it exists with or without a physical form), but yes, also the idea that there would be no afterlife, for me and everyone else (including animals), but also for all the people and animals who suffered even more than most, and/or died very young, etc, is unbearable to me, I can't believe that its all there would have been for them ... and ultimately Earth gets destroyed by the Sun (or possibly before that) and all this great evolution, struggles, pain, etc, would have been all for nothing and completely useless.

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Gods not real it is as simple as that, there is no proof he exists and as you counter argue there is no proof he doesnt, the fact there is no proof he exists is enough to debunk that!

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html

-Phil Plait

Most atheists I know never talk about God at all.

Personally, I only mention the non-existence of God when someone tries to use the existence of God to justify an otherwise unsupportable position (such as homophobia, or Creationism).

I'm agnostic, and I love to talk about god(s) and religions. Not to change anyone's mind about anything, just because I find it all interesting. But I guess I'm a minority. When most people say "talk" in regard to religion, they really mean "argue". Which is pointless, because religious views can neither be proven nor disproven.

My sweet friend, as for me, you know I like to study history and ancient cultures, and you cant do that without including their theology. it can be interesting. but for the most part I do not mention it unless they try and push their religious views upon me or others. although like in my last relationship my GF was Pagan, I tend to foster what ever they feel helps them with their personal growth without trying to be judgmental of them for it, as long as they do not try and force their views upon me as well. although I have had my moments when I just felt ornery and argumentative and just wanted a good debate about evolution -v- creationism, although rare.

Mostly it just irritates me when people do not care for our about other people or our mother earth because they seem to think their god will someday come and save them or fix it all for us. or that they can freely disrespect or hate others just because others so not believe the same as they do. or when they use their religion as a reason to be sexist with others.

One last word to Atheists.

You bring children into this world while "knowing" that all you give them is the struggle of birth, the struggles of life, the pain of watching others and animals struggling and in pain, the pain of dying, and if they're lucky and don't mind the "fact" that there is absolutely nothing after they die, maybe a little bit of happiness in between.

When your 10 year old child is at the hospital, dying of cancer, you tell him "sorry kid, that's all there was for you". When you try to comfort someone you care about after the death of their child, parent, or other loved one, the best you can tell them is probably something like "at least he didn't suffer". And you talk about future generations (I don't even see the point of future generations if everything, including them, exists for no reason, why would you bring children, who didn't ask to be born, in this messed up world) while "knowing" that everything they will do, go through, all their struggles, including the pain of death for them as well, will ultimately have been completely useless. Sooner or later everything will be lost since our planet will be destroyed, either when the Sun becomes a red giant or before that (but humans might become extinct long before that, we are a very young - and somewhat stupid in some ways - species).

I am very glad my parents never tried to pressure me into becoming an Atheist, and that I had a Christian beginning in life. Discussing with you guys was enlightening in a way tho, as I realise fully that your beliefs about life and death are definitely not for me, and that if I believed the same thing I would have killed myself a long time ago, or I would have let myself die when I had a cancer at 20 year old. As grateful as I am to be alive right now, if I believed there was nothing after death, that everything happens for no reason (other than laws of physics - which according to you have no - underlying, spiritual - reason to exist either) I would be mad at my mother for giving me life, as she also gave me struggles (like any and all human beings and animals), and the eventual pain of death as well.

Discussing with you also made me realise that as much as I hate Sharia law, I would rather live in a country where Sharia law is in force, and where they believe in God (even if their idea of God is not the same as mine), than live in a country where I would be forced to be Atheist.

So, despite the fact that this discussion was upsetting to me, I respect your opinion and beliefs (or non beliefs), and I thank you for the enlightenement and the time you have taken to reply to my messages.

Sharia Law?

Crikey.

Has anyone here ever been pressured into 'being' an Atheist, BTW? Does that happen in modern civilised countries?

I am simply skeptic into believing ina an invisible being that cannot be proven let alone waste my time allowing a book of fairytales to dictate my behavior and thoughts or being ashamed of being human and praying to an imaginary man for natural human urges.

I'm sorry you were sick with cancer. That is so much to go through... 20 is so young.

Your posts are interesting to read. There is an author named John Polkinghorne you might like to read. He's much better and more articulate than someone like Ham. Polkinghorne writes wonderful books.