Jesus Christ is Lord!

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Without Jesus Christ I would not have survived! I was terribly bullied in school and had a mild nervous break down and even the Drs could not help me. Psychotherapy doesn't really help either. But the Lord gave me hope and He saved me from devastation or turning to evil. I guess some people may scoff at this, but I do not. I know that I couldn't have done it myself. I was at my lowest.

Oh how great the love of the Lord is. He suffered on the cross for us! I can't believe anyone would not accept Him. But we do have free will.

It is good that you were able to survive the bullies due to your beliefs, however, it sounds like you essentially created an invisible friend in your head based on Jesus. It is not uncommon. It does not make that friend any more real than the other invisible friends that other people create. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to "accept him" any more than anyone should accept any other god of mythology or legendary prophet. Personally I think Jesus was likely just a schizophrenic who could hear voices and thought he was the Messiah; today's mental hospitals are full of such people. He also became a fall guy for the local anti-Roman resistance who wanted to throw out the Romans.

Few people would deny that religious institutions can have a positive effect on people's lives. But this is entirely separate from the issue of the truth of it's basic suppositions. Positive thinking and a supportive group of peers can go a long way.

Many people suffered terribly for their beliefs over the millennia. But the concept of another person paying for your wrongs is anathema to modern justice. It harkens back to the primitive superstition of the "scapegoat". When an animal was burdened symbolically with the woes of a tribe, and then killed so the tribe would be ritualistically cleansed. The myth of Jesus is merely a refinement of this idea. I don't know what Jesus really taught, maybe he was wise. I think it's wrong to ignore all that and concentrate on the cult of suffering and death which sprang up after he was long gone.

Last edited by AspE on 05 Sep 2014, 5:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I don't see why you'd think he was schizophrenic. Could you say more?

Schizophrenic or not, Jesus was undeniable very intelligent. He was very aware of his target audiences and would adjust what he said and how he said accordingly (as did the folk who eventually wrote what we know as the gospels). He knew he was putting himself at odds with the Romans, and he was probably fairly aware that s**t was would eventually hit the fan. Though I'm atheist, I'm a bit fan of Jesus (though, of course, it's tough to get at the "historical Jesus" with any significant amount of certainty...)

After I read the NT I was left under the impression that Jesus was a schizophrenic. I've just googled my suspicions and apparently others think so too:



Much more here:
http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/const ... e=activity

Jesus must have done something right: his religion has withstood the test of time.

By the way: I, in no way, believe that Jesus was anything more than Jesus of Nazareth, a carpenter who went against the established beliefs of the Rabbis within his region.

Every religion stands the test of time. Until it doesn't.


So if God is an example of perfection, did He come from a Higher Power too?



Woman Killed By Falling Piece Of Gargoyle Statue Outside Church

Treated by doctors and therapists: gives credit for recovery to imaginary friend and claims the medical specialists played no part.

I am lord now bow down to me and open up your latest manga and read chapter 7!

It's hard to know who Jesus really was. Several parts of the NT were edited long after they were written. Some of it, possibly around the time Constantine made Christianity the official Roman religion.

As for standing the test of time, many religions have survived as long, and longer. What's interesting is that several dead religions have been making a comeback, such as some of the old Celtic religions.

As for Jesus helping people through tough times in life, the same has been said for many religious figures. A Christian colleague once explained how Christianity has been shown to help people, by filling a part of their psyche that needs God. My reply was that the same is true of other religions, not just Christianity. There is a part of our brain that, for many people, seems to respond to the spiritual. Often called the God-gene, it has a heightened physiological response to spiritual events, and has been shown to be active in most people from a variety of faiths.

As usual, once someone demonstrates such abysmal ignorance about observable testable facts of nature such as evolution, that automatically downgrades their credibility on any subject with me. Since the original poster is so very wrong about something like evolution that has so much physical evidence of so many different types all pointing to the same reality, why should I trust his opinion on spiritual matters not so easily checked?

And if evolution did NOT happen, then why does all the evidence of the physical world that we can observe and measure all clearly show that it does happen? That would make the God of the Bible a liar IF one insists on a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis. Either God is lying to us in His book or in the evidence of His creation. Which is it?

It doesn't matter of course which way God is lying to us. What faith can one have in a God who is a malicious prankster? What the fundies don't realize is that by denying demonstrable reality such as evolution they are making themselves look really stupid and turning people away from Christ (and they are calling God a liar even though they don't realize that either).

Yay for you, however you need to use commas more often rather than sentence fragments. Congrats on being glad for your salvation though. I should probably be more grateful myself, so congrats to you for the joy you've expressed and sorry to be a grammatical nitpicker.

Yes, I agree with this. Jesus was just a man. But to truly understand the impact of a man like Jesus aka Yeshua one can attempt to understand scholarly reports of modern day, indicating he was just a Yogi leaning classical pantheist and zealous type of individual; potentially hypo maniac like around 5 to 9 percent of the population today is, with attributes correlated potentially like the DDR4 dopamine gene/ADHD genes/warrior gene/etc./; a man, if you will, who 'came down from the desert' instead of the Tibetan Mountains or as in Muhammad's case, coming out of a solitary cave.

The key issue is instinct and intuition verses the rules of culture.

And yes, this still applies today, and one sees it still when folks escape their respective restrictive cultures inhibiting the real potential of human nature.

And yes, the culture of then was much more restrictive and fundamentalist than what we see in the overall world today, even worse than the atrocities that still occur in religious Muslim states where female genetic mutilation occurs, and other atrocities against women, the mentally ill, disabled people, homosexuals, etc. aka as any difference that doesn't match the cultural mold aka social norm.

To find the true nature of human being is the common element of all great philosophers; including Buddha, Muhammad and Yeshua; the big three if you will; with the mythology of Vishnu that also has strong elements of intuition, instinct and nature for Universal truths of nature.

God is nature, obviously, from a practical viewpoint.

But back then; there was no science to bring the 'natural' guidelines to have a better life based on truth, rather than silly superstition.

Humans without truth often fall to superstitions and the main thing is, humans overall must have social acceptance to live, and will follow almost any illogical rule, if it means the difference in getting social acceptance or not getting it.

Not getting social acceptance means death, instinctually and intuitively for human beings, and any other social animal as successful social cooperation innately and intuitively means life over potential death; and yes, there are built in 'love' chemicals in the human body like oxytocin that work to comfort us when we are making those social connections for those of that have that ability; sadly some folks are either born without that ability; or it happens from the trauma of being rejected or abused in life through environmental elements rather that innate elements.

Scholarly reports indicate that the so called mystic elements of Jesus which are just another way of attempting to understand and implement the emotional and sensory elements of our human nature that many don't catch and some folks are not capable of catching for potentially innate reasons like the oxytocin deficiency; potentially relating to dopamine sensitivity; or even the naturally occurring neurochemical DMT otherwise known as the empathy or love neurochemical that makes us feel like we are connected to everyone and everything. Molly is the common name for the synthetic drug version of this neurochemical that in psychological research is considered a potential breakthrough drug to help folks who are severely depressed; not able to make that human connection any more that feels so comfortable, warm and fuzzy, if you will.

Life is not that complicated for most social animals; get food; get shelter; get love; stay alive.

But no, no, no, life is much different with complex language and culture for human beings,

The result of that can be stoning for not following contrived social rules, or as what still happens per Female Genital Mutilation and rapes that are allowed without 5 witnesses to the act; that list still goes on and on; sadly so still in our country too even in something we don't usually consider a problem like male circumcision.

Big reason with so called modern Christianity where the myth of Jesus as a GOD apparently promoted by early Roman Catholic Council with what appears to be the grandiose notions of Constantine wanting to make himself a Sun GOD type of omnipresent king, as well as Jesus to control the masses; this is the problem of human exclusions of allowing other folks in their tribe not to be full members if they don't meet the cultural rules; not surprising at all anyway, of course, as humans do have tribal instincts too.

Football works much better that that; yes fights do break out here and there when the opposing team fans get on someone's nerves.

But no, dirty bombs and terrorist acts are not in the mix of that much better surrogate for tribal warfare.

There is no Yogi leaning folks who want to be a king; hmm, in a way, maybe the Dali Lama who still excludes homosexuals from the mix, and gets involved in other power moves in his past; but no that's not a real Yogi to me; you don't get to be a real Yogi in my opinion from birth right; Yogi hood, Buddha hood, Christ hood, and all the other metaphors for the state of awakening and enlightenment for full natural human potential escaping cultural lies is earned through trial and error of finding truth and greater power in this life through merit, and yes totally natural; but not a birth right, as such, other than what our true human potential as free can really be when we do escape the lies of culture.

The real man Yeshua as indicated in scholarly reports, and now thank 'god' even promoted in my Catholic church that I still go to, as it is an excellent opportunity to make human connections that I as a rational human being understand are necessary for happiness; true happiness, as I am healed form the negative effects of culture and can once again feel the oxytocin, dopamine, serotonin and likely DMT type of love (no effective medical living test though; for either dopamine or DMT available at this time) is this.

Yes, Yeshua hated religion, likely as much as anyone in this forum. And seriously, he wasn't that much different than the atheists in the posting crowd here, per actually effective overall ideology.

The argument here, per modern scholarly reports really isn't against the real man Jesus; just the lies of the early Roman Empire and Catholic church who promoted Jesus to the King of the Universe.

Silly little human beings; so silly they can be.

But again, people will believe anything to be socially accepted.

Even that pleasure, per the female clitoris, is an evil thing.

The height of human ignorance expressed so clearly through cutting it off.

The thing here is. Please try having some cognitive empathy, if you can, whoever you are with these folks who have this ignorance.

The real reason they believe these things are for social acceptance.

It's a powerful thing for folks who can feel it; and nothing, absolutely nothing for folks who can't.

But that is the issue.

Human empathy is the only saving grace of the human species aka in some circles as race is this.

Without that eventually, there is no real long termed hope for the human species. We will likely eventually have a really big nuclear war, if enough folks lose human empathy; all it takes is a press of some buttons without any semblance of understanding love aka human empathy.

And no it is not just an anecdotal concern; research shows measurable levels of human empathy down around 30% in college age folks in the last few decades.

It can go lower; and living a life in mechanical cognition activities over activities that promote social cognition can most definitely make this happen as science now shows too; and yes, church can and does promote greater strengths in social cognition, even with all the mythological lies about the little man Jesus. Yes, back in those days he was probably around 5 foot 4 or so; not likely much of an imposing man in physical size; but zealots sometime have a rather large bark that can put the fear of 'something' in some folks. :)

Oh, and before I go; please don't discount the real effective human emotions of belief, faith and hope. Yes, just a suggestion. I'm not saying anyone should or has to do this.

The metaphor of folks moving mountains who fully utilize these human emotions for fullest human potential is not a bad metaphor at all, taking all potential positive human potential improvements into account.

I could give you details and proof; but it would it take a book to give them all to you; just in my life, alone.

Belief, faith and hope and particularly relative 'free will' are extremely powerful human attributes and whatever way that works in abstract language, symbols or even myths, is well worth it, for those who do attain the highest levels of human potential, no matter what the perceived challenge, adversity, defect or disability might be.

The greatest key is:

Believe in me, for you, no matter how you get there by abstract symbol, path or journey.

It really comes down to that; 'if it is to be it's up to me'.

As far as I know the GOD of nature approves that yes is the GOD of competition and success.

Some folks call it narcissism.

But no, in my opinion, it's just the law of the Jungle aka GOD.

You don't get out of here alive.

You might as well make the best of IT aka GOD, too.

All in my just my opinion; but just saying a person is right or wrong without promoting greater scientific understanding why, in a tactful and respectful way, is just a waste of energy in my best estimation, for the long term of real change for human being.

The real reason we are all here.

Just being aka the meaning of life.

Last edited by aghogday on 06 Sep 2014, 8:16 am, edited 2 times in total.

Be honest OP, you were bored and wanted to stir up trouble on the double. So you start a thread professing your love for Jesus, and I admit you got me. So on that note I congratulate you! That being said if you're going to respond you might want to give better answers than anecdotal evidence of why Jesus is great and all to you. Other wise you're going to have a hard time in this section of convincing anyone. Not that you will convince everyone here because many have heard the exact thing you keep saying many times over, but at least you can attempt at making sound arguments for your belief.

Nah, I don't think this guy is a troll; kind of a tough crowd here, for folks who don't have really thick skin like me and yes, others here too.

I've got a heart too. A human one too.

And those two REAL human attributes used effectively together per love and fearlessness is what really makes human being the strongest IT can be.

Just in my opinion, of course, as that is all we really have in REAL human terms, per the source of all we do per emotions are opinions true or false.

I disagree with that, I wasn't directly calling him a troll. Just someone who wants to kick a beehive for what ever reasons only known to the OP. Which you could argue is trolling, because this place isn't exactly known as a theist sanctuary. Neither are a whole lot of forums on the internet with that being said. A tough crowd for a troll is one that has a thick skin, and can ignore the troll. A crowd who immediately responds or has easily bruised skin is the best crowd for a troll. But that's beside the point also, I couldn't find a good Wonka condescending image to put up.

Nevermind I just found one, so substitute the troll image for this.