Atheist kills muslims and Gun Control a bad thing?
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Guns aren't going anywhere. To say otherwise is just right wing propaganda to keep the crackers hating liberals.
So, you consider those who are pro gun ownership to be crackers??
No, not at all. I'm talking about those people who are manipulated by the right by their own willful ignorance. As a matter of fact, my dad had been a gun owner.
manipulated by the right lol nope. I get all my they want to take my guns straight from the liberal democrat's mouths saying we want to take your guns. some will say it out right, some will say it in private meetings, or anti gun gatherings. rather prefer the first to the second. at least they honest and upfront. then theres the laws they pass, had one in oregon that was all about taking guns, well 99% of them you could keep one, if you registered it, stored it in a safe at all times, and registered the safe location, oh and the police could once a year search anyones house to make sure they have just the one gun they said, or in case of non gun owners have 0 guns. luckly people weren't stupid and rejected this law, though some of the left really pushed for it.
I think you know I'm talking about how the right plays up on anti-LGBT and racist sentiments people harbor, as well as manipulating people to oppose any sort of healthcare or social safety net with bullsh*t talk of individualism and deliberate misrepresentation of socialism. The gun scheme in Oregon didn't work, but the right's appeal to the worst in people unfortunately does.
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Define 'crazy'?
When one has to go out of one's way to settle a dispute with violence. That, and diagnosed mental illness.
I call the first one 'being violent'....as for diagnosed mental illness there is lots of variation amoung that and mental illness and violent individuals should not be lumped together as one and the same. One thing that might help this society is if people would quit acting like only someone with a mental illness can do something violent....its just not true.
That is true, and I admittedly shouldn't lump all mental illness together. As I personally have struggled with depression and anxiety, I fit the bill of being mentally ill.
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i guess I'm a bit too sensitive for PPR if that's OK even for PPR
PPR has traditionally been a bit messy (i.e. ad homs, trolling, straw men, dog whistling flame baiting, etc).
Really, when a forum is created for the sole purpose of discussing politics, philosophy, and religion (especially politics and religion) a climate is created for incivility since people tend to be passionate about those.
Believe it or not, I agree with you!
shall we get a room for you two?
Well, I do recall Raptor saying he was becoming more accepting for the LGBT community .
But strictly on constitutional grounds and nothing further and even that is on thin ice.
How is extending rights and protections to American citizens who should have already had them going out on "thin ice?"
With me personally it is and by that I mean don't expect me to become a gay rights activist. I still personally find the practice to be abhorrent but just the same it is still protected by the constitutionand that was my point. It won't get any better than that from me so there's no point even trying.
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i guess I'm a bit too sensitive for PPR if that's OK even for PPR
PPR has traditionally been a bit messy (i.e. ad homs, trolling, straw men, dog whistling flame baiting, etc).
Really, when a forum is created for the sole purpose of discussing politics, philosophy, and religion (especially politics and religion) a climate is created for incivility since people tend to be passionate about those.
Believe it or not, I agree with you!
shall we get a room for you two?
Well, I do recall Raptor saying he was becoming more accepting for the LGBT community .
But strictly on constitutional grounds and nothing further and even that is on thin ice.
How is extending rights and protections to American citizens who should have already had them going out on "thin ice?"
With me personally it is and by that I mean don't expect me to become a gay rights activist. I still personally find the practice to be abhorrent but just the same it is still protected by the constitutionand that was my point. It won't get any better than that from me so there's no point even trying.
I never wanted you to f*ck them, just respect their rights.
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- they knew he repeatedly blamed them for parking in his spot
- they knew he was persistently, a very angry person
- they knew he carried a gun
and yet they still taunted this guy by parking in his spot ?
I see this happen often in "road rage" incidents; it is not about right/wrong, legal/not legal, what matters is survival. These Muslims people seemed to lack the survival instinct.
Wait a minute, now, are you blaming the victims? I could care less if he was being (allegedly) taunted; he didn't have to kill them. The fault lies solely with the shooter.
Pretty much what Kraichgauer said.
They're not the ones who committed a crime here.
And really, shooting people over a parking spot? Either the man has issues or he truly hated them.
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Wait a minute, now, are you blaming the victims? I could care less if he was being (allegedly) taunted; he didn't have to kill them. The fault lies solely with the shooter.
Pretty much what Kraichgauer said.
They're not the ones who committed a crime here.
And really, shooting people over a parking spot? Either the man has issues or he truly hated them.
You two seriously suggesting that this was an unforseeable outcome ? You continually piss off a really angry guy that carries a gun, and you think , "he won't do anything to me".
This happens all the time in road rage incidents. I tell my mom, don't get upset with drivers and do anything to make them mad, cause you just don't know.
Recently, in Michigan, a man got out of his car to confront another man who had upset him , and BAMM the other guy shot him dead as he was walking to his car. Well, of course he did; it happens all the time.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/m ... /19331565/
So, yeah, superficially, it seems like the Muslims were some common fools who you read about being killed over some trivial confrontation.
I say "fools" because it is foolish to put the law or morality ahead of survival.
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- they knew he repeatedly blamed them for parking in his spot
- they knew he was persistently, a very angry person
- they knew he carried a gun
and yet they still taunted this guy by parking in his spot ?
I see this happen often in "road rage" incidents; it is not about right/wrong, legal/not legal, what matters is survival and these Muslims people seemed to lack the survival instinct.
Yeah and none of that is a justifiable reason to go shoot people...what was his stupid a** thinking?
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Wait a minute, now, are you blaming the victims? I could care less if he was being (allegedly) taunted; he didn't have to kill them. The fault lies solely with the shooter.
Pretty much what Kraichgauer said.
They're not the ones who committed a crime here.
And really, shooting people over a parking spot? Either the man has issues or he truly hated them.
You two seriously suggesting that this was an unforseeable outcome ? You continually piss off a really angry guy that carries a gun, and you think , "he won't do anything to me".
This happens all the time in road rage incidents. I tell my mom, don't get upset with drivers and do anything to make them mad, cause you just don't know.
Recently, in Michigan, a man got out of his car to confront another man who had upset him , and BAMM the other guy shot him dead as he was walking to his car. Well, of course he did; it happens all the time.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/m ... /19331565/
So, yeah, superficially, it seems like the Muslims were some common fools who you read about being killed over some trivial confrontation.
I say "fools" because it is foolish to put the law or morality ahead of survival.
But only a tiny percentage of people shoot someone else under any circumstances, so it's hardly an everyday occurrence for the majority of people. So, no, no one should be expected to assume someone is going to kill them, especially over a parking spot. And the simple fact is, someone who takes another life over something so trivial has to be considered abnormal to the extreme.
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But only a tiny percentage of people shoot someone else under any circumstances, so it's hardly an everyday occurrence for the majority of people. So, no, no one should be expected to assume someone is going to kill them, especially over a parking spot. And the simple fact is, someone who takes another life over something so trivial has to be considered abnormal to the extreme.
If I was there, and these Muslim people told me about some "really angry guy carrying a gun continually knocking on their door and complaining about where they park", I would of told them to go the police, and to stop parking in his spot. Especially, after I saw how scary he looks.
Apparently, you would be like, "Oh, don't worry about it. He would never use that gun. Just ignore him and keep parking there".
Maybe it's because I grew up in and around Detroit, and you grew up in a privileged neighborhood? I am use to my mom driving near unknown people and hearing "LOCK THE DOORS" cause we assume unknown people are potential thieves and murderers.
In conclusion, you don't tug on Superman's cape, sure it seems trivial, but the consequences can be devastating.
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But only a tiny percentage of people shoot someone else under any circumstances, so it's hardly an everyday occurrence for the majority of people. So, no, no one should be expected to assume someone is going to kill them, especially over a parking spot. And the simple fact is, someone who takes another life over something so trivial has to be considered abnormal to the extreme.
If I was there, and these Muslim people told me about some "really angry guy carrying a gun continually knocking on their door and complaining about where they park", I would of told them to go the police, and to stop parking in his spot. Especially, after I saw how scary he looks.
Apparently, you would be like, "Oh, don't worry about it. He would never use that gun. Just ignore him and keep parking there".
Maybe it's because I grew up in and around Detroit, and you grew up in a privileged neighborhood? I am use to my mom driving near unknown people and hearing "LOCK THE DOORS" cause we assume unknown people are potential thieves and murderers.
In conclusion, you don't tug on Superman's cape, sure it seems trivial, but the consequences can be devastating.
I grew up in a "privileged neighborhood?" Define "privileged," as I take it to mean affluent. No, I grew up in middle and working class suburb, where crime sometimes happened, but was usually minor incidents of theft or vandalism; but otherwise, people tended to behave civilized toward one another. If that's "privileged," then I think most people live in privileged neighborhoods. I know Detroit has a bad rep for crime and violence, but that doesn't apply to most of the country. There is no reason to think the victim of the shooting expected their neighborhood to bear the slightest resemblance to Detroit, because I'm pretty sure where they lived was probably for the most part violence free.
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Wait a minute, now, are you blaming the victims? I could care less if he was being (allegedly) taunted; he didn't have to kill them. The fault lies solely with the shooter.
Pretty much what Kraichgauer said.
They're not the ones who committed a crime here.
And really, shooting people over a parking spot? Either the man has issues or he truly hated them.
You two seriously suggesting that this was an unforseeable outcome ? You continually piss off a really angry guy that carries a gun, and you think , "he won't do anything to me".
This happens all the time in road rage incidents. I tell my mom, don't get upset with drivers and do anything to make them mad, cause you just don't know.
Recently, in Michigan, a man got out of his car to confront another man who had upset him , and BAMM the other guy shot him dead as he was walking to his car. Well, of course he did; it happens all the time.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/m ... /19331565/
So, yeah, superficially, it seems like the Muslims were some common fools who you read about being killed over some trivial confrontation.
I say "fools" because it is foolish to put the law or morality ahead of survival.
But only a tiny percentage of people shoot someone else under any circumstances, so it's hardly an everyday occurrence for the majority of people. So, no, no one should be expected to assume someone is going to kill them, especially over a parking spot. And the simple fact is, someone who takes another life over something so trivial has to be considered abnormal to the extreme.
Why do they 'have' to be considered abnormal...anger/hate can do that to people if they let it, there is nothing at all abnormal about that. Statements like this are the reason why that other classmate told me during a freaking lockdown because of someone with a gun in the school....that they where surprised I wasn't the person with the gun wanting to harm people because I was/am abnormal....point is people have got to quit assuming 'normal' people are somehow above and beyond committing horrid crimes when its not the case. Most mentally ill people actually are not guilty of violent crimes and statistically are more likely to be on the receiving end of them.
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Wait a minute, now, are you blaming the victims? I could care less if he was being (allegedly) taunted; he didn't have to kill them. The fault lies solely with the shooter.
Pretty much what Kraichgauer said.
They're not the ones who committed a crime here.
And really, shooting people over a parking spot? Either the man has issues or he truly hated them.
You two seriously suggesting that this was an unforseeable outcome ? You continually piss off a really angry guy that carries a gun, and you think , "he won't do anything to me".
This happens all the time in road rage incidents. I tell my mom, don't get upset with drivers and do anything to make them mad, cause you just don't know.
Recently, in Michigan, a man got out of his car to confront another man who had upset him , and BAMM the other guy shot him dead as he was walking to his car. Well, of course he did; it happens all the time.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/m ... /19331565/
So, yeah, superficially, it seems like the Muslims were some common fools who you read about being killed over some trivial confrontation.
I say "fools" because it is foolish to put the law or morality ahead of survival.
I think it was more being said that the blame still lies on the person who decided an appropriate response to a parking dispute was to go on a shooting rampage....and considering it seems the problem was anger/hate, it also likely cannot be blamed on mental illness at all.
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Wait a minute, now, are you blaming the victims? I could care less if he was being (allegedly) taunted; he didn't have to kill them. The fault lies solely with the shooter.
Pretty much what Kraichgauer said.
They're not the ones who committed a crime here.
And really, shooting people over a parking spot? Either the man has issues or he truly hated them.
You two seriously suggesting that this was an unforseeable outcome ? You continually piss off a really angry guy that carries a gun, and you think , "he won't do anything to me".
This happens all the time in road rage incidents. I tell my mom, don't get upset with drivers and do anything to make them mad, cause you just don't know.
Recently, in Michigan, a man got out of his car to confront another man who had upset him , and BAMM the other guy shot him dead as he was walking to his car. Well, of course he did; it happens all the time.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/m ... /19331565/
So, yeah, superficially, it seems like the Muslims were some common fools who you read about being killed over some trivial confrontation.
I say "fools" because it is foolish to put the law or morality ahead of survival.
But only a tiny percentage of people shoot someone else under any circumstances, so it's hardly an everyday occurrence for the majority of people. So, no, no one should be expected to assume someone is going to kill them, especially over a parking spot. And the simple fact is, someone who takes another life over something so trivial has to be considered abnormal to the extreme.
Why do they 'have' to be considered abnormal...anger/hate can do that to people if they let it, there is nothing at all abnormal about that. Statements like this are the reason why that other classmate told me during a freaking lockdown because of someone with a gun in the school....that they where surprised I wasn't the person with the gun wanting to harm people because I was/am abnormal....point is people have got to quit assuming 'normal' people are somehow above and beyond committing horrid crimes when its not the case. Most mentally ill people actually are not guilty of violent crimes and statistically are more likely to be on the receiving end of them.
Well, there's abnormal, then there's abnormal. Your classmates obviously don't know you since they thought you were capable of such a thing. For the record, I am abnormal and proud . Then there are those people who would do something harmful to others that you and I would never do. As angry as most people get, very, very few of them would haul off and gun somebody else down over a parking spot. Those people constitute bad abnormal. It's not really a matter of mental illness, but rather behavioral disorder.
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