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elysian1969
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12 Mar 2015, 11:17 am
I come from an extremely conservative and orthodox (small-o) Christian background. However, one of the main things I got from that background is that I'm not the Judge. I'm glad I'm not. I can't see into other people's hearts to discern their motives. I have enough trouble discerning my own heart and my own motives. Sometimes I think that people get their hate on against homosexuals because most of us are straight. Homosexuality seems creepy to most straight people. Frankly, to me there's nothing any woman's got that I would remotely desire in a sexual way. I find the whole concept of same-sex attraction to be rather abhorrent, but that's mostly because there's nothing about any woman that floats my boat. Who am I to start throwing stones simply because a man is interested in other men or a woman is attracted to other women? It's really none of my business.
I am more than interested in men- and it may be more socially acceptable, but it's just as sinful as anything to be thinking randy thoughts regarding hot young dudes other than my husband. So from a "sin" perspective, I sin just as much and probably more than gay people do.
The Bible does teach against homosexual behavior. However, Jesus didn't say anything about it. There are also verses in the Bible that teach against eating certain meats or wearing clothing made of two different fibers (we do that all the time with our clothes made with synthetic blends.) Read Leviticus. It's a real trip if you are the rules and regulations type. Nobody is saying anything about wearing cotton and nylon in the same shirt or having milk in your coffee while you're eating your burger- but those are no-nos if you are living according to the Law. Interestingly enough, the apostle James said that if you break one little bitty rule in the Law, then you're guilty of breaking all of them.
The bottom line is we are all sinners and nobody can save themselves by "clean living." God knows our hearts, and Jesus died to atone for the sins of all people, gay and straight. It seems sort of funny that when Jesus lived here on earth He always seemed to find the outcasts, the people on the margins, and the people who weren't considered good enough for polite society. If we are supposed to be following Him, then why aren't we doing the same instead of telling everyone who's "out" or "not good enough?" As if we can make ourselves "good enough?"
It's not my place to judge, just to try to live the best I can and do something about the logs in my own eyes, Lord willing.
12 Mar 2015, 11:38 am
I am more than interested in men- and it may be more socially acceptable, but it's just as sinful as anything to be thinking randy thoughts regarding hot young dudes other than my husband. So from a "sin" perspective, I sin just as much and probably more than gay people do.
The Bible does teach against homosexual behavior. However, Jesus didn't say anything about it. There are also verses in the Bible that teach against eating certain meats or wearing clothing made of two different fibers (we do that all the time with our clothes made with synthetic blends.) Read Leviticus. It's a real trip if you are the rules and regulations type. Nobody is saying anything about wearing cotton and nylon in the same shirt or having milk in your coffee while you're eating your burger- but those are no-nos if you are living according to the Law. Interestingly enough, the apostle James said that if you break one little bitty rule in the Law, then you're guilty of breaking all of them.
The bottom line is we are all sinners and nobody can save themselves by "clean living." God knows our hearts, and Jesus died to atone for the sins of all people, gay and straight. It seems sort of funny that when Jesus lived here on earth He always seemed to find the outcasts, the people on the margins, and the people who weren't considered good enough for polite society. If we are supposed to be following Him, then why aren't we doing the same instead of telling everyone who's "out" or "not good enough?" As if we can make ourselves "good enough?"
It's not my place to judge, just to try to live the best I can and do something about the logs in my own eyes, Lord willing.
But gentiles don't need to follow Leviticus, right? What I heard about is that according to St Paul non-Jewish Christians do not have to follow the Law. And Jesus said something like "I have come to fulfill the law, not abolish it", which people take to mean that he somehow took responsibility. And it's a good thing Christians don't literally behave as they do in Leviticus because that chapter is a real horror show.
12 Mar 2015, 11:53 am
I am more than interested in men- and it may be more socially acceptable, but it's just as sinful as anything to be thinking randy thoughts regarding hot young dudes other than my husband. So from a "sin" perspective, I sin just as much and probably more than gay people do.
The Bible does teach against homosexual behavior. However, Jesus didn't say anything about it. There are also verses in the Bible that teach against eating certain meats or wearing clothing made of two different fibers (we do that all the time with our clothes made with synthetic blends.) Read Leviticus. It's a real trip if you are the rules and regulations type. Nobody is saying anything about wearing cotton and nylon in the same shirt or having milk in your coffee while you're eating your burger- but those are no-nos if you are living according to the Law. Interestingly enough, the apostle James said that if you break one little bitty rule in the Law, then you're guilty of breaking all of them.
The bottom line is we are all sinners and nobody can save themselves by "clean living." God knows our hearts, and Jesus died to atone for the sins of all people, gay and straight. It seems sort of funny that when Jesus lived here on earth He always seemed to find the outcasts, the people on the margins, and the people who weren't considered good enough for polite society. If we are supposed to be following Him, then why aren't we doing the same instead of telling everyone who's "out" or "not good enough?" As if we can make ourselves "good enough?"
It's not my place to judge, just to try to live the best I can and do something about the logs in my own eyes, Lord willing.
But gentiles don't need to follow Leviticus, right? What I heard about is that according to St Paul non-Jewish Christians do not have to follow the Law. And Jesus said something like "I have come to fulfill the law, not abolish it", which people take to mean that he somehow took responsibility. And it's a good thing Christians don't literally behave as they do in Leviticus because that chapter is a real horror show.
You're exactly right (except for the part about Leviticus partly since they were jews, not christians)... why people act the way they do is solely based on our own decisions, and they is no way to live a perfectly clean life. Also the thing is, you're wrong about Jesus. He fulfilled the law--not by taking responsibility of all of sin (The responsibility was already taken upon God when we sinned...)--he came to fulfill the law by releasing the sin from himself in which both he and his people were bearing. He lived a life of perfect obedience, guys.
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Homosexuality and Christianity have always existed together, in fact, the largest Christian church, the Catholic Church, is filled with closeted, yet active homosexuals, and other byproducts of repressed, oppressed, and subjugated through illusory fear, human nature.
God 'invents' humans as one of the lustiest animals on earth for 'good reason'; survival, simple as that.
Diversity of human being, and a variety of mating preferences in doing just that per diversity of mating, when consensually desired, is what makes the human being, the multi colored and petaled flower, it is.
And even science now shows that lust is a core origin of both human creativity and productivity.
The best way to shut down a human group from attaining highest God given potential in creativity and productivity, is make those humans fear their human nature, of which lust is one of the greatest powers for human creativity and productivity.
In other words, GOD didn't make humans sexy beasts for no reason. God made human beings as evolved, overall, to get TURNED ON ALMOST ALL THE TIME.
A GREAT SOURCE OF HUMAN SUFFERING AND MISERY, WHICH TRULY IS ANTI-CHRIST FOR THE GOLDEN RULE, IS TO REPRESS OR OPPRESS OR SUBJUGATE through illusory fears the same human nature that makes humans great through thousands of years of the greatest lust in 'top pile' of animals who are turned on most of the day, when connected of course.
Humans are more like these Bonobos..
..THAN angry, violent, patriarchal chimpanzees..
WHEN NOT subjugated by psychopathic leaning folks who want all the hip grinding power to themselves....
And when human sexuality is repressed, one gets all kinds of perverted stuff, like pedophile priests.
In primitive societies, where lust is freely expressed in actual sexual intercourse from puberty, there are not even any words for homosexuality or masturbation.
So beyond the 20% twin study innate attributes that factor in on natural homosexuality, ironically enough, masturbation and homosexuality, per the environmental part of that natural equation, can be at least, in part, attributed to churches that promote abstinence until marriage.
Understanding the GOD of Nature, truly makes religion both transparent and silly, in these illusory ways of truly hurting human beings, per the fullER 'Christ-like' potential that can aRISE, from truly free children of GOD in the SEXY WAY HUMANS ARE EVOLVED, OVERALL, RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT'S TRULY SILLY, AS EVEN some of THE MOST FundamentalIST of religious ladies have lots of lipstick and bleached blonde hair at age 60 plus. They are not doing that to not be sexually attractive, and that's for sure, whether wittingly or not.
We live in a RELATIVELY insane world, where lies are part of the main course of the cultural and religious meal, as left over remnants from hard fist rule, where women are just cattle from years ago, not even worthy of spiritual priesthood or even spiritual growth, as still IS the case in Muslim countries and even pockets of so-called free countries, as well.
The truth, light, and wisdom of the real human CHRIST(S) IS TO RISE above these cultural and religious lies, into the arena of Truth and light AND WISDOM, AS simply children of GOD; fReeD from oppression, repression, and subjugation through Illusory fears of human GOD given human nature, BY psychopathic leaning clergy that wants to soak up all the power and p**SY, D*K, AND other objective viewed goods to collect, or whatever else, for their selfish psychopathic leaning collecting needs....
Same story 2000 years ago, not many still get the GOLDEN RULE MESSAGE OF JESUS, BUDDHA, MUHAMMAD, CONFUCIUS, VISHU, OR whatever other vehicle or vessel of myth houses the TRUTH, LIGHT, AND WISDOM OF THE GOLDEN RULE of humans exercising their relative free will with the Power of sharing unconditional love, AND HELL YEAH THAT INCLUDES BEING HORNY AND STAYING HORNY ALMOST ALL THE TIME, IN TRULY HEALTHY FREE HUMAN BEINGS OVER THE COURSE OF a lifetime, for the best opportunity AT creativity, productivity, and the most important GOD GIVEN ATTRIBUTE OF ALL, TO SURVIVE, BABY, WITH A SEMI-HARD thing OR A WET VJ TO GET THE JOB DONE!
The real foolery is avoiding being human.
Ugh, the real devil is in the religious details of oppression, repression, and subjugation of human nature through illusory fears; the true DEVIL THAT LEADS TO MOST HUMAN MISERY AND SUFFERING.
AND THOSE who live free, live human life the WAY GOD MAKES IT EVOLVED TO BE.
I LISTEN DIRECTLY TO GOD, NOT A 3500 YEAR OLD, AND SLIGHTLY NEWER REVISED, LITTLE restricted, abridged, and CENSORED BOOK.
AND by the way it's worth noting that SO-CALLED REAL Jesus promotes STRIPPING AND NAKEDNESS AMONG CHILDREN OF GOD TO NOT BE ASHAMED OF WHAT GOD MAKES AND EVOLVES THEM AS, per SUPER HORNY CREATURES WITH GOD inside FROM HEAD TO TOE TO VAGINA AND PENIS, TO PUT IT MEDICALLY AND bluntly true.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm
and when shall we behold you?"
He said, "When you strip naked without being ashamed, and
take your garments and put them under your feet like little
children and tread upon them, then you will see the child of the
Living, and you will not be afraid."
God doesn't 'mind' IF humans play doctor and play human too.
At least 'Jesus' agrees, anyway, no matter what the little men who can't please their wives and are afraid the big men will turn them on and take them away. And yeah, that's part of human nature, AKA fear and weakness that do go hand in hand...
God creates a merit of loving strength and the wise do the best they can with both of these attribute to cherish and live the greatest gift of all, and that is a balanced GOD GIVEN, AND NOT HUMAN TAKEN AWAY, frigging human nature LIFE; FULLY ALIVE WITH LEGS SPREAD WIDE OPEN, OR whatever position is desired.
And yes, I for one, am monogamous, as some humans are and some humans are simply not evolved that way presently, per individual genetic pre-disposition, as the Kinsey report, overwhelming reports, along with rather high rates of homo-predispositions, whether exercised in real life or NOT.
And that's not surprising at all, when the vagina is hidden through 6 or 7 years of high TEST testosterone puberty; it's gonna GO somewhere, if not the 'right hole' or fist or WHATEVER FETISH MAY come!
Oh GOD, THERE ARE probably millions of closeted muslim men, as they do hold hands freely together, at times, where the women are locked away. If they are human.. well.. some 'things' are inevitably gonna happen, somewhere, even at the risk of prison, for those folks.
The source of violence over there, in part, at least, is clearly repression, and oppression AND subjugation through illusory fears of ALL NATURAL GOD GIVEN, human sexual freedoms.
Some really frustrated folks, THEY ARE, WHO ARE SIMPLY NOT FREE CHILDREN OF GOD, EXPRESSING ALL THE GIFTS THAT GOD GIVES HUMAN BEING FOR FREE, not waiting on illusions of 72 virgins in the after-life.
Perhaps porn, if spread far enough, will eventually be a major factor for WORLD PEACE, WITH A BIGGER piece of VIRTUAL VICARIOUS ACTION, AT LEAST..
AND YEAH, please learn to ignore me if you don't like long monologues about my special interest, as that my friend, is my kinda' Autism FREELY EXPRESSED, NO MATTER IF ANYONE reads it or not..
I like to write.
It's a special interest fully in tow and EMPLOYED AS SUCH, FREE HERE, AS LONG as Autistic expression is allowed freely, LIKE THIS, in long winded MONOLOGUE, special INTEREST WAY..
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