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19 Jun 2015, 4:43 pm

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how will you deal with fifty million a year joining their families in Europe?

You will not be able to stop it, you lost border control this year.

ISIS is bringing the war to you.

There will be a lot of blood in the streets.

None of this is grounded in reality.


I do not share your reality. The population of Earth is going to double, and almost all the increase is coming from the poorest countries.

Nigeria has more than half the population under fifteen, the UN says they will have as many as the USA in 2050.

Open borders is calling for the destruction of Europe.

These people are not coming because they like you, they are coming because they see you are rich and weak.

This is a significant backtracking...

The borders of the EU are not "open", and even if they were, that's not really anything to worry about. Particularly as poorer nations experience greater development, there will be fewer emigrants - this is included in the same reports that project Nigeria will have a bigger population than the US in 2050.



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20 Jun 2015, 11:02 pm

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Yeah. Imagine that. I guess the lawful immigrants prefer to live in honest communities, too.


"Honest" is an interesting way of phrasing of it. The implication there is that if someone crosses a border without permission, and then fibs a bit on documents in order to get paying work, is someone who has broken the law and thus a criminal, right?

And criminals do as criminals do, right?


"Honest" is a rather accurate way of phrasing it. Someone who "fibs a bit on documents in order to get paying work" that they aren't legally entitled to is, indeed, a criminal. There's a world of difference between exaggerating about high school grades and falsely claiming citizenship.

In response to the OP. No, it's not racist to be against immigration - though the two are obviously not mutually exclusive.



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20 Jun 2015, 11:18 pm

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The left and liberals in Sweden are saying that it is.

Right wing in Sweden is against immigration becuse they say we have already have MANY immigrants comming. In fact, Sweden has taking most refugus per capita in Europe.

They dont adept and Sweden have put much money on immigration which have give negative effects on hospital, jobs, bulding houses etc. The goverment in Sweden prefers the immigrants before helping their own people and country. And they want to make the immigration even bigger, much bigger.

Is it racism to be against this? Is the liberals and the lefts in Sweden doing the right thing?

Important note: almost everyone who is comming to Sweden is arab muslims from middle east.......and they are very religious at the same time is Sweden very secular....its like 2 diffrents world facing eachother, I dont understand why the left and liberals want this....they have goon so far thaat they are saying that giving crititc to Islam is racism. But its okay to give critic to any other religion.


Liberals love to throw the charge of racism at people that don't agree with them. It's their substitute for facts and rationale but it doesn't work with me. In all fairness, as someone whose ancestors were European immigrants I can't be against LEGAL immigration but I am and will continue to be against ILLEGAL immigration.


Personal opinion here...I'm originally from New Zealand and have migrated to the US, although haven't bothered going the full step yet: Immigration and racism can be two separate issues. They can also be two very connected issues. I suspect the real concern is lack of assimilation and that blame can often fall on both the adopting country and the immigrant, particularly if they speak a different language (it's often seen as a sign of disrespect when you continue speaking in your own tongue, while neglecting to learn the language of your adoptive country). Sometimes it's easy to stick with one's own kind, because 'they get it'. Other times, individuals are excluded because they're 'not from around here' and locals find it hard to reach out, fearing nothing in common etc. I think the big issue you've raised is to do with a massive culture clash. You have mention secular versus deeply religious and while both groups can be passionate about various topics, you're generally going to find that there's more of a tolerance in the secular versus the religious (tolerance for many things and the perspective is more individual, rather than 'taught'). In short, if we're realistic, it can work, has worked, but for some reason doesn't work so well in this day and age. No, it's not racist...it's more culturalist.



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20 Jun 2015, 11:39 pm

There are times that wish Uncle Sugar would drop a Lexan(tm) curtain round the country, and cut off all forms of immigration, emigration, trade, education, and communication with the rest of the world. Let the remainder of the world fix their own problems, and stop relying on the U.S. for help. Hell, the U.S. is already the laughingstock for the world. Why should we be the police for the entire world?



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21 Jun 2015, 5:09 am

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There are times that wish Uncle Sugar would drop a Lexan(tm) curtain round the country, and cut off all forms of immigration, emigration, trade, education, and communication with the rest of the world. Let the remainder of the world fix their own problems, and stop relying on the U.S. for help. Hell, the U.S. is already the laughingstock for the world. Why should we be the police for the entire world?


I'm all for this. Quarantining America would solve about 90% of global problems overnight. :lol:



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21 Jun 2015, 2:51 pm

It is not "racist" to be against immigration, and I also like to add that it's also not "racist" to be with your own and to love your own race (The Arab race, the Aryan race, the Asian race, the Hispanic race, the Jewish race, the Negro race and the Semitic race [The Palestinians are the Semitic race) whatever race that might be.

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21 Jun 2015, 3:59 pm

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It is not "racist" to be against immigration, and I also like to add that it's also not "racist" to be with your own and to love your own race (The Arab race, the Aryan race, the Asian race, the Hispanic race, the Jewish race, the Negro race and the Semitic race [The Palestinians are the Semitic race) whatever race that might be.

Yours sincerely, The_Truthteller

Indeed. Semantically, I find little about the phrase White Pride that is offensive, though most of its supporters are so, in my opinion. If there are friendly, nonviolent Black Pride, Latino Pride, LGBT Pride and Autism Pride movements, why shouldn't there be an equally friendly, nonviolent White Pride movement? If all act lawfully, should I worry?

Hypothetically, is it possible for a transracial individual to hate their birth race? :wink:


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21 Jun 2015, 4:13 pm

AspieUtah, firstly thank you for the kind words.

Secondly, if you mean someone of mixed ancestry when talking about a transracial individual, then I believe that a person of mixed ancestry must choose which race of their Parent's they which to preserve in order to restrengthen that race.

Thirdly, if you're American, you have someone who can top the very high standards that John F. Kennedy set as president of the United States of America; his name is Dr. David Duke, you can check him out here: https://www.youtube.com/user/drdduke (Don't take heed of the people who call him a "White Supremacist" as he is the farthest thing from that).

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21 Jun 2015, 4:16 pm

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Indeed. Semantically, I find little about the phrase White Pride that is offensive, though most of its supporters are so, in my opinion. If there are friendly, nonviolent Black Pride, Latino Pride, LGBT Pride and Autism Pride movements, why shouldn't there be an equally friendly, nonviolent White Pride movement? If all act lawfully, should I worry?

There's no reason to worry about a friendly, non-violent White Pride movement (aside from the likelihood that it would probably quickly be misappropriated by white supremacists). The difference with between that movement and the one you list is that in most countries, white people have not faced systematic oppression due to their whiteness - or to clarify, whiteness has not led to people being systematically oppressed.

Those movements aren't so much "pride" movements as "lack of shame" movements. It means something to stand up and say "I'm gay, got a problem with that?". It doesn't mean anything to stand up and say you're not ashamed of being straight, or neurotypical. There's no reason for you to be ashamed of those things, either.

It might be appropriate for white people to have pride movements in countries where they are oppressed by racist regimes or societies - I guess Zimbabwe is the closest? - but I don't think it would make any sense in America, Europe, South America, Australia and New Zealand, or indeed most of the regions of the world where white people are a minority.



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21 Jun 2015, 4:22 pm

The_Walrus, "Whites" (I consider them by their proper name, which is Aryan) are being oppressed. If you like to know more about what I'am talking about, watch videos from David Duke's channel here: https://www.youtube.com/user/drdduke. I hope that helps.

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21 Jun 2015, 4:34 pm

Is this the same David Duke who was a Grand Wizard of the KKK? Who founded Stormfront? Who joined the American Friends of the BNP? Who described integration as "racial genocide"? Who wants African Americans to be segregated into a separate country? Who claimed that Israel orchestrate 9/11? Who said Israel makes the Nazis look moderate? And Israel is occupying New York, LA and London? Who said these things?

I am not going to listen to a word that man has to say about race relations.



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21 Jun 2015, 4:35 pm

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...if you're American, you have someone who can top the very high standards that John F. Kennedy set as president of the United States of America; his name is Dr. David Duke, you can check him out here: https://www.youtube.com/user/drdduke (Don't take heed of the people who call him a "White Supremacist" as he is the farthest thing from that)....

Well, as a longtime LGBT activist, I remember the earliest of Duke's statements (which I considered to be misguided interpretations of constitutional law). But, in his later life, he has been much more logical and accommodating. Though, I can't say that I would agree with his ideas too much.

When I was a federal hate-crimes adviser to the U.S. Office of the Attorney for the District of Utah in the 1990s, I met a former neo-Nazi skinhead at our hate-crime conference who renounced everything he did and was mid-way through getting his tattoos removed. He now speaks to school students around the United States.

In my own state, when we had a fairly popularized neo-Nazi group in southern Utah during the 1980s, I found them misguided and offensive, but interestingly intelligent. They were quick on their intellectual feet. And, because mainstream media sometimes included me to "balance" their interviews, I would defend their free speech against the reporters who were trying to get us into a shouting match. I despised the reporters more than I did the neo-Nazis.

In fact, the leader of this one-time group is now marching every year in the Las Vegas LGBT Pride Parade with his gay son and black daughter-in-law! After getting accused of being a part of the Oklahoma City Bombing (which was untrue), he spent some time in prison and returned as a great father and funny stand-up comedy guy. He renounced it all and is completely friendly. The only reason he sometimes resembles his former self is when he gets angry about people messing with his kids.


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21 Jun 2015, 5:06 pm

AspieUtah, neo-Nazi (The term "Nazi" was created as derogatory term against German and National Socialist alike) skinheads don't actually know the meaning behind the Swastika. The Swastika was created by Adolf Hitler as a symbol to strike fear towards the Communists, which is all in the documentary (Which is banned in quite a few countries; if they have nothing to hide why ban the documentary) "The Greatest Story NEVER Told", you just need to watch it with an open mind.

Yours sincerely, The_Truthteller



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21 Jun 2015, 5:23 pm

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Your use of the word "Aryan" is in fact incorrect. The proper term is Indo-European, and even that today is more a linguistic designation rather than an ethnic one. To be sure, there had been at one time a Neolithic-Bronze Age group of horse taming nomads who had exploded out of the steppes of Eurasia in all directions, spreading their language and religion to everywhere they had settled. While the Aryans had been one segment of this Indo-European group, they in fact only colonized what is today Iran, India, Pakistan, etc. No Aryan in fact ever stepped foot in prehistoric Europe. And while most Europeans today carry the R1a and R1b genetic signatures most commonly associated with Indo-Europeans, none of them are anywhere near pure. In fact, Germanic peoples have a high degree of haplogroup I1, and I2 in their population, which in fact can be traced back to the Ice Age hunter gatherers rather than to the people Hitler and his Nazis referred to as Aryans. In fact, the Slavs, who Hitler had deemed untermenschen, had a greater degree of haplogroup R1a than the people of Germany, the low countries, or Scandinavia, who Hitler believed were the purest Aryans, as they were Germanic.


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21 Jun 2015, 5:28 pm

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AspieUtah, neo-Nazi (The term "Nazi" was created as derogatory term against German and National Socialist alike) skinheads don't actually know the meaning behind the Swastika. The Swastika was created by Adolf Hitler as a symbol to strike fear towards the Communists, which is all in the documentary (Which is banned in quite a few countries; if they have nothing to hide why ban the documentary) "The Greatest Story NEVER Told", you just need to watch it with an open mind.

Yours sincerely, The_Truthteller

Have you read Antony C. Sutton's book Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler ( https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sut ... Hitler.pdf )? There is much about Hitler I don't like or agree with, but, if Sutton's claims (about Wall Street banks financing the German Reich) are true, Hitler was very likely set up. We know for a fact that U.S. President George W. Bush's grandfather, U.S. Sen. Prescott Bush of Connecticut, "was a founding member and one of seven directors [...] of the Union Banking Corporation" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_ ... orporation ) which "the United States seized [...] under the Trading with the Enemy Act" in 1942.

Interestingly (and surprisingly for most people), Hitler also designed the International Olympic Rings that appear on the Olympic Flag and elsewhere. He also conceived the idea for the running of the Olympic Torch Relay from Greece to various host cities allowing filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl to film it and create powerful propaganda images.


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21 Jun 2015, 5:41 pm

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AspieUtah, neo-Nazi (The term "Nazi" was created as derogatory term against German and National Socialist alike) skinheads don't actually know the meaning behind the Swastika. The Swastika was created by Adolf Hitler as a symbol to strike fear towards the Communists, which is all in the documentary (Which is banned in quite a few countries; if they have nothing to hide why ban the documentary) "The Greatest Story NEVER Told", you just need to watch it with an open mind.

Yours sincerely, The_Truthteller

Have you read Antony C. Sutton's book Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler ( https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sut ... Hitler.pdf )? There is much about Hitler I don't like or agree with, but, if Sutton's claims (about Wall Street banks financing the German Reich) are true, Hitler was very likely set up.

Could you clarify what you mean by "set up"?

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Interestingly (and surprisingly for most people), Hitler also designed the International Olympic Rings that appear on the Olympic Flag and elsewhere.

This is not true. They were designed by Pierre de Coubertin in 1912 and first officially used in the 1920 Games. They featured more prominently in 1936 though.