PLO and Nazi Connection.

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The real question is whether terrorist run states based on Sharia law have a right to exist.

Yea, but the Jews left their homeland and only wanted a place to live after the holocaust. I don't blame them for that.
And there IS a difference between Jews and Israelis. According to Merriam-Webster A Jew is : someone whose religion is Judaism, who is descended from Jewish people, or who participates in the culture surrounding Judaism

And a Israeli: : of or relating to the people or the republic of Israel

There is a difference, and people on this thread do not seem to know that little IMPORTANT fact.


But, in order to do that the Israelis killed off the Palestinians LIVING there, they took their homes, their property, and their dignity. Then they did not stop there. They built walls around the Palestinians, making them prisoners in their OWN LAND. They take them, beat them and shoot them. If this happens anywhere else, people will riot and demand justice.

I lived in Palestine (as mentioned before) and one of the many horrible memories I have is this-
In order for people to get into Jerusalem from Bethlehem, you had to take a bus into Israel. Me and my family were on it, and we stopped at a checkpoint manned my Israeli soldiers. The captain came on and started looking at everyone's passports. After he did this to the entire bus he took 5 Palestinians off and went to "interrogate" them. After an hour of Interrogation the 5 Palestinians came back.... 3 were bloodied and beaten, one could barely walk. but they got on the bus anyways and we continued on to Jerusalem.

Yes, but the Israeli brutality towards Palestinians is not helpful to their claim of that land. I understand your viewpoint of "you lost it, so suck it it up" but its more complicated than that. The Palestinians lost their territory, then the Israelis spit in their face and took more than they were allowed, beat and harass the Palestinians, and when confronted with it they deny any claims of responsibility.

That, and right of return.

Yes, but the Israeli brutality towards Palestinians is not helpful to their claim of that land. I understand your viewpoint of "you lost it, so suck it it up" but its more complicated than that. The Palestinians lost their territory, then the Israelis spit in their face and took more than they were allowed, beat and harass the Palestinians, and when confronted with it they deny any claims of responsibility.

Well then let's let the native Americans return to their land and everyone keep returning and returning again until we are all "home." How does that sound?

Again there's a question of the scale of time. Also a question of treaties between sovereign nations.

We still have 1st generation displaced palestinians. 2nd generation displaced palestinians, many legal scholars believe, still have right of return.

But in Europe we have a lot of land that was stolen from the Jews and some of them are still living and definitely the second generation displaced are alive. Do you think Germany would give them everything back, as in property, or pay them off with money which is the most practical way to resolve this situation.

A) It was the Nazies that did it not Getmany.
B) They did that. (Allies and modern day Germany did)
C) they were placed in modern day Israel and became Isralies.

I will always view Jews as having the right to exist like everyone else and if you disagree with that I find it problematic. Why would you deny them the right to exist?

But in Europe we have a lot of land that was stolen from the Jews and some of them are still living and definitely the second generation displaced are alive. Do you think Germany would give them everything back, as in property, or pay them off with money which is the most practical way to resolve this situation but the Gazans will need to put the bitterness behind them and be willing to move on and past this idea Jews must be wiped from the face of the earth. They would need to focus on building a lovely city out of Gaza and not fight with the Jews any longer. Why not just work toward that because if you think the Jews are giving up Israel it's not going to happen. It simply will not happen no more than you or I will go back to Europe and demand to live where our Great Grandparents did because mine came from Eastern Europe.

Uh, it was Germany. At the time, the Nazis were in power but they ran the German state and many Germans joined them

Jews were starved to death, worked to death, gassed to death, or a combination of all three, which they paid the ultimate price....You are dealing with people who have gone through a genocide in Europe

Yea, because it was a join or die deal. If you didn't join the Nazi party you would be jailed or killed etc. There were a lot of Germans who did not want to be Nazis.

Palestinians are beaten mercilessly. The children are shot by soldiers and run over by tanks for throwing rocks. (even though they shouldn't throw rocks at them, killing the kids because a rock hit you is not an appropriate response). teargassed by gasses deemed illegal in the U.S because of harm it causes. Etc.

It's Hypocritical that people support Israel because their forefathers went through a horrible deal. While the Palestinians go through a disturbingly similar ordeal and no one cares about them.

When discussing Israel, people who side with the Palestinians in Gaza ignore the fact the Nazi ties and their desire to destroy the Jews, the same desire the Nazis had and implemented in The Final Solution.

Why ignore the Nazi connection between Arafat and his followers?

Arafat is related to the Mufti of Jerusalem who was a Nazi conspirator and wished to implement the Final Solution in Palestine during World War ii.

Why ignore it?
1. It's ancient history.
2. The Nazis would have oppressed Arabs too as in inferior race.
3. It unfairly demonizes modern Palestinians.