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15 Sep 2015, 2:44 am

Elective surgery should not be covered by insurance. Insurance should be reserved for those things that are necessary for our physical health.

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15 Sep 2015, 10:50 am

We now have a more open society where we can listen to trans-gender people tell us how it is for them. Has there been condemnation when there should have been love and compassion? I did see a film made in Thailand where a transgender person was talking frankly. One said he was against sex change surgery because it drove people mad. I take it this was from observation. Thailand seems to be a different kind of place. Speaking for myself I have a lot to learn.

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15 Sep 2015, 11:36 am

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Elective surgery should not be covered by insurance. Insurance should be reserved for those things that are necessary for our physical health.

There are some people with for example facial disfigurement who while totally physically healthy can often have an appalling social burden to cope with and elect to have surgery to relieve their mental difficulties which can lead to suicide.

Not sure precisely about the insurance issue. But I do know that this kind of treatment and many other physical treatments and surgery which impinge on psychological well being are free here in the UK on the NHS.

In fact I asked my family member who is transgender about this and `He` (soon to be She..... so I will call her She from now on ..... She is transitioning as we speak... so we are getting used to the gender naming ! !!..)..

She says that this treatment can be free on the NHS and She has had a bit of help (ie blood tests) however the getting that help is really long winded and often prohibitive as a result. So many Trans folk just find their own way to finance their re assignment.

I feel that the main point that repeatedly gets missed by otherwise compassionate people is that ...
this IS NOT a lifestyle choice.... its like being gay. or like being blue eyed... you are born this way... its a genetic thing over which you have little control.

If your body says one thing and your mind says another (and society says yet another!) that is a recipe for severe mental trauma which statistically regularly leads to suicide.

Some obese people are getting stomach bands on the NHS here as they cannot stop eating too much others are getting help to quit smoking. These ARE lifestyle choices.

Its just a rather confusing taboo thing for the masses in my opinion, but hopefully in time this will be more and more accepted as gay people have been in the last few years because of the brave few pioneers.
The same with Aspergers??

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15 Sep 2015, 11:44 am

People should stop complaining their life. Being better in yourself doesn't mean changing your looks. Are people that stupid that they don't know how to feel good about themselves?

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15 Sep 2015, 11:46 am

eric76 wrote:

Insurance should be reserved for those things that are necessary for MY physical health.

Fixed that typo for you.

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15 Sep 2015, 1:38 pm

jake waldin wrote:

People should stop complaining their life. Being better in yourself doesn't mean changing your looks. Are people that stupid that they don't know how to feel good about themselves?

I`m sure this is an admirable goal to aim for Jake but sometimes the difficulties and challenges are just too big, Sometimes we all have to make changes to give us a chance to feel good about ourselves.

Life can be really hard at times.

So I think we shouldn`t judge peoples reasons without walking a mile in their shoes first.

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15 Sep 2015, 2:01 pm

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First of all I think it is kind of hilarious that you guys have made a whole thread about my story. Thanks for the publicity!! I am flattered :heart:

To the OP... you are gravely mistaken on several things. First of all I am a member of a managed health care system that I get through my employer and both they and myself pay premiums. My coverage is provided by paying members of that service not by your tax money (although I guess it is subsidized in certain ways, but this is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things).

Second, because of the generally low cost (in comparison to numerous other procedures) and the tiny numbers of people who take advantage of these services, the cost to provide care to transgender individuals is practically negligible.

I cant post links on the subject of cost yet because I am new, but I will once that restriction is removed... the costs have been calculated and they are negligible.

Also trying to vilify trans people in the name of providing for Vets is pretty messed up and reeks of fear mongering. Especially considering that there are quite a few transgender veterans.

I totally support our Vets and would fight for their rights to care as well. But these are two separate issues, you should keep them separate. I could just as easily say "I can't believe they are spending money on F-35's when bridges all over the country are falling apart!" or "I can't believe they want to expand the Navy when kids are going to school hungry!"... but you know what? The USA and its people are capable of handling more than one issue at a time, things are not black and white in the real world.

Finally, to be entirely honest it seems like the OP is just looking for reasons to dislike trans people (errmahgawd they're taking my monies!! ! those deviant saps! *hate hate hate words words words...) The language you use is pretty inflammatory, it is almost like you do not see us as people, or at the very least, people deserving of compassion and understanding. Until you've walked a mile in my (our) shoes I think you should reserve judgement. Trans people have a lot to offer society but we can't do that if we are dead (the suicide rates are alarming, and we face violence and discrimination at every turn).

I suggest a thorough regimen of self education on the issues :mrgreen:

The OP is transgender him/her self. But starts threads with inflammatory (seemingly anti transgender titles) like this for some reason. I guess to test the waters of public opinion. Or something.

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15 Sep 2015, 8:19 pm

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The OP is transgender him/her self. But starts threads with inflammatory (seemingly anti transgender titles) like this for some reason. I guess to test the waters of public opinion. Or something.

Hey, it can be emotionally less stressful and far cheaper than therapy to work through sex and gender issues that way (not that I'm at all convinced most therapists are qualified to help with many such issues).

Jogrey88, one of the classic examples is San Francisco in the early 2000's. They added a dollar or two to the premiums to cover the anticipated cost of caring for transsexual city employees. After a few years they dropped the extra charge as it was found to have not been needed (ie they ran an excess). Funny thing about trans people also is that they tend in aggregate to take much better care of their bodies once they match their identities compared to before. Other cities & organizations have reported similar results.

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16 Sep 2015, 12:13 pm

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Basically, a lot of trans women demand that others adhere to a narrow ideology or they will unleash heck on them.

What do you attribute this behavior to?

It happens on WP too with regards to autism. WP members unleashed heck on me when I said my ASD feels like "brain damage".

Is it insecurity?

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16 Sep 2015, 1:18 pm

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beneficii wrote:

Basically, a lot of trans women demand that others adhere to a narrow ideology or they will unleash heck on them.

What do you attribute this behavior to?

It happens on WP too with regards to autism. WP members unleashed heck on me when I said my ASD feels like "brain damage".

Is it insecurity?

Oooh! Ooooh! Pick me! Pick me! I know this one!

It's actually just a subset. Well, several different subsets, actually. But due to their personality types they are loud ones. I don't know if I'd blame it on insecurity as that ignores the cause that underlies said insecurity: social & legal oppression. Both trans people & people with AS tend toward insecurity when they've been told their entire lives that they are a.) choosing to be that way, b.) 'acting' unacceptably &/or c.) simply wrong and evil for exposing the biological variety of humanity.

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17 Sep 2015, 2:07 pm

Edenthiel wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

beneficii wrote:

Basically, a lot of trans women demand that others adhere to a narrow ideology or they will unleash heck on them.

What do you attribute this behavior to?

It happens on WP too with regards to autism. WP members unleashed heck on me when I said my ASD feels like "brain damage".

Is it insecurity?

Thanks.

Yes, I was hesitant to use the word "insecurity" too.

It appears that psychology teaches "defense mechanisms" that exist to "protect the personality from an intolerable attack of anxiety when the ego is under siege".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_m ... mechanisms

This might be closer to what is happening.

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17 Sep 2015, 3:35 pm

The Obama Administration releases vague proposed regulations, based on Section 1557 of the Affordable Care Act, that may require insurers and Medicaid in every state to fund procedures used to transition:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/14/wil ... changes-2/

Comments are open until November 9th.

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17 Sep 2015, 10:46 pm

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A link to The Federalist...really?

Here's a link to the actual .gov

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/office/index.html

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18 Sep 2015, 4:53 pm

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beneficii wrote:

A link to The Federalist...really?

Here's a link to the actual .gov

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/office/index.html

What say you about the article's topic?

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18 Sep 2015, 5:41 pm

beneficii wrote:

Edenthiel wrote:

beneficii wrote:

The Obama Administration releases vague proposed regulations, based on Section 1557 of the Affordable Care Act, that may require insurers and Medicaid in every state to fund procedures used to transition:
http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/14/wil ... changes-2/
Comments are open until November 9th.

A link to The Federalist...really?
Here's a link to the actual .gov
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/office/index.html

What say you about the article's topic?

I say people should learn the history of the topic.

The original insurance exclusions came about as downstream fallout from the ADA. Right after it passed, Sen. Jesse Helms pushed through an amendment to exclude trans people from accommodations. Based on his strict conservative Christian beliefs (and pandering) he compared trans people to those with severe antisocial mental illnesses such as kleptomania and pedophiles . From there the text of the amendment flowed downstream as boilerplate text into various documents and was picked up by insurance companies to use to exclude an entire realm of health care needs from coverage.

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19 Sep 2015, 5:18 pm

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If one should be happy with what God gave them, let's be happy with cancer and any kind of genetic or developmental malformation. Let them happily endure excruciating pain and die a godly death. Who are we to meddle in the mysterious designs of the Almighty?

God made this guy as well it seems. why he would I've no clue

God made him in his image, that means God must look like this guy!

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