If it came down to Hillary or Trump, who would you vote for?

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Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump for president?
Clinton 51%  51%  [ 24 ]
Trump 49%  49%  [ 23 ]
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16 Sep 2015, 12:45 pm

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The thing about Hillary that I find the most distasteful, whether she is President or not, is how she treats the little people around her.

There are numerous reports about problems between her and the Secret Service from when Bill Clinton was President. One Secret Service Agent made the mistake of saying good morning to her once and she really tore into him. He didn't deserve that.

And when Bill was president, there were reports that the White House staff had to hide when she came along. She didn't want to see them and she didn't want to listen to them. She just wanted them out of her way. And just like the Secret Service agents, if one of them made the mistake of speaking to her, they would get a full view of her wrath.

Because of that, she's my last choice. It has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with knowing that she would consider every one of us to be beneath her and not eligible to even speak to her.


Hillary's treatment of Secret Service details is well known and it speaks volumes of her character (lack of it).
The woman is a b***h and can only be expected to be worse if elected.


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16 Sep 2015, 6:55 pm

To begin with, I'm a Bernie man. But if I had to choose between Clinton or Trump, I'd reluctantly go with Clinton. And that's because she at least has experience in government, and supports worthy causes, ranging from LGBT rights, to preserving the social safety net. Sure, Clinton is rather Machiavellian, but Trump probably would qualify as a clinical narcissist. That, and he has absolutely no experience in governing, has had questionable success as a businessman, and has been playing up to the basest prejudices among people, in particular regarding Latinos. He's actively being endorsed by white power groups, for crimony's sake!


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16 Sep 2015, 8:45 pm

Neither, because I can vote for ANYONE even if they are not nominated *Cough...Scott Walker...Cough*. But for arguments sake, Trump because I believe he is the lesser of the two evils, at least he is brutally honest and not deceitful like Hilary.



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16 Sep 2015, 8:56 pm

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Neither, because I can vote for ANYONE even if they are not nominated *Cough...Scott Walker...Cough*. But for arguments sake, Trump because I believe he is the lesser of the two evils, at least he is brutally honest and not deceitful like Hilary.


Not sure how you picked Scott Walker out of your hat, dude is stiff as they come and is owned like no other



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16 Sep 2015, 9:07 pm

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Not sure how you picked Scott Walker out of your hat, dude is stiff as they come and is owned like no other

But he is against planned Parenthood and can balance a budget.



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16 Sep 2015, 9:36 pm

Galbwas wrote:
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Not sure how you picked Scott Walker out of your hat, dude is stiff as they come and is owned like no other

But he is against planned Parenthood and can balance a budget.


Walker is as guilty of blowing the Planned Parenthood thing out of proportion, as are most of the other Republican contenders. The fact of the matter is, those fetal tissues are used in medical schools, and for research, just as are any other cadavers. Even Ben Carson, who is a retired brain surgeon, had worked with fetal tissue in the past. I doubt most of these guys really believe their own press about how this is some ghoulish, obscene thing going on with Planned Parenthood, but that doesn't stop them from saying it, as it scores them points.
That, and Walker has sworn to destroy organized labor for his friends in corporate America, such as the Koch brothers. As the son of a union man, I can tell you right now, he's failed the litmus test in ever getting my vote.


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17 Sep 2015, 5:25 am

Trump. To win an election you have to motivate the base, get them to vote, and that takes bringing up splinter group votes. Fights they will lose or never fight, defunding Planned Parenthood, Vaccines, each have a voting public.

Democrats still pander to Homosexual Rights, even after they have full legal equality.

They also talk about a path to citizenship for illegals, and never do it, playing the Hispanic vote.

Equality for Crack and Powder Coke and reduced jail time seeks the Black vote.

Both Legal Immigrants and Blacks see illegals as cutting into their employment and drug selling turf.

Trump can draw a lot of traditional democrat votes on the issue, and motivate the base that has been calling for illegal removal for decades.

So far Stormfront, David Duke, the Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, MS-13, have come out in favor of Trump. For some, illegals are a life and death issue. While most are convicted felons, they do have families that do vote, as in their communities, men with vans pick them up, take them to vote, and give them $2. Just votes for a single local office will pay $5, so a voter can be worth $20.

A lot of money is spent on these get out the vote efforts, where poor and illiterate people have a large turnout.

Trump grabbed ownership of the one issue that cuts across ethnic lines.

A vote stolen from the democrats is worth two.



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17 Sep 2015, 2:52 pm

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Trump. To win an election you have to motivate the base, get them to vote, and that takes bringing up splinter group votes. Fights they will lose or never fight, defunding Planned Parenthood, Vaccines, each have a voting public.

Democrats still pander to Homosexual Rights, even after they have full legal equality.

They also talk about a path to citizenship for illegals, and never do it, playing the Hispanic vote.

Equality for Crack and Powder Coke and reduced jail time seeks the Black vote.

Both Legal Immigrants and Blacks see illegals as cutting into their employment and drug selling turf.

Trump can draw a lot of traditional democrat votes on the issue, and motivate the base that has been calling for illegal removal for decades.

So far Stormfront, David Duke, the Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, MS-13, have come out in favor of Trump. For some, illegals are a life and death issue. While most are convicted felons, they do have families that do vote, as in their communities, men with vans pick them up, take them to vote, and give them $2. Just votes for a single local office will pay $5, so a voter can be worth $20.

A lot of money is spent on these get out the vote efforts, where poor and illiterate people have a large turnout.

Trump grabbed ownership of the one issue that cuts across ethnic lines.

A vote stolen from the democrats is worth two.


What is possibly wrong with poor people voting? I'm poor as $hit, and I vote.
And just how do Democrats steal votes? Sounds to me like they're just appealing to certain voting blocs.


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17 Sep 2015, 2:53 pm

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I'm poor as $hit, and I vote.

Does it help? Are you getting any richer?



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17 Sep 2015, 3:00 pm

How's it help by not voting? I also am as poor as the proverbial church mouse, and I'm a conservative living in a liberal state; but by voting, I feel I have a license to b***h.


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17 Sep 2015, 3:11 pm

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I'm poor as $hit, and I vote.

Does it help? Are you getting any richer?


One of the Long brothers in Louisiana had said, "Take away a poor man's vote, and he's got nothing."
No, it's not making me richer, but at least this way, I can take solace in knowing that I'm not totally at the mercy of the powers that be.


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17 Sep 2015, 3:13 pm

Am I suppose to happily just let my right to vote disappear because I don't get rich?


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17 Sep 2015, 3:52 pm

Clinton if I had a choice. USA & the world needs a woman in charge for a while.

Remember, opponents have been plotting and setting up smears for over a decade re the trust issue... they fear her. Forget whether she is likeable or not, she would do a good job and I think she genuinely wants to help.

Trump scares me deeply amd overin the UK here is considered quite ridiculous.

I dont think the world could take him seriously at all (which is also v. scary if he ever got in).
He says so many ill considered and nasty things, he would make a disastrous POTUS



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17 Sep 2015, 4:42 pm

Galbwas wrote:
Neither, because I can vote for ANYONE even if they are not nominated *Cough...Scott Walker...Cough*. But for arguments sake, Trump because I believe he is the lesser of the two evils, at least he is brutally honest and not deceitful like Hilary.


Well there is more to being president than being brutally honest about his out of touch, borderline racist, over the top sometimes flat out ridiculous opinions. Also the guy from what I have seen likes to blame everything on everyone else, instead of holding U.S corporations that are shipping jobs to china or third world countries for cheap labor just to avoid paying a living wage to employees responsible for their actions, he goes on about some weird conspiricy theory esque drivel about how its Chinas fault. Like they're actively taking our jobs. When its the billionaire corporations just wanting to save a few bucks by exploiting the poor and desperate elsewhere whilst decreasing job availability at home because its far to much to ask that employees be paid a living wage. The guy doesn't sound like someone to trust to me, if he is actually opposed to all the outsourcing of jobs he should make an example of himself and stop supporting that kind of industry, he can afford to buy U.S made or even foriegn fair trade sort of products where the people actually benefit whilst having their way of life conserved rather than being exploited for profit. Yet instead he willfully supports the outsourcing industry just as much if not more than your average american through his actions....though he may claim differently. But as they say actions speak louder than words....and he's such a liar about being a self made success, he was born into wealth and has the demeanor of an entitled spoiled brat.


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17 Sep 2015, 4:46 pm

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Am I suppose to happily just let my right to vote disappear because I don't get rich?


Well its a given that anyone who advocates the poor be barred from voting via things like only allowing property owners to vote, an idea I've heard tossed around recently, are clear supporters of class warfare.


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17 Sep 2015, 4:58 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Am I suppose to happily just let my right to vote disappear because I don't get rich?


Well its a given that anyone who advocates the poor be barred from voting via things like only allowing property owners to vote, an idea I've heard tossed around recently, are clear supporters of class warfare.


I've heard those sons-of-b*tches say that, too. I've also heard them say anyone getting government benefits should be barred from voting.


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