What do you think about abortion

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Yes it's true
You have me as an enemy of women.
But I am also the enemy of men, for example I believe that a man who rapes a woman or is a perverted pedophile who molests children should be cut off balls without anesthesia, but i should not voice my opinion of on this because im not woman or a parent

You're not doing women any favors, thats for sure. Its none of my business either so I think we're even.

I have NOT read this entire thread, and am only addressing the OP's question.....

I think if abortion was outlawed, it would go back into the back alley, being done with a coat-hanger in unsafe / unsterile conditions, and that's not good.

I've never understood this passing the buck attitude. It would concern me if one of my children was aborted, it would certainly have affected my life if I had been aborted myself. I'm not a Jew, am I not allowed to say anti-Semitism is wrong? If someone is killed in a racist attack am I not allowed to say it is wrong because I am not a member of the attacker's or victim's group? Moronic if you ask me.

No doubt there will always be some immoral and foolish enough to avert this law. But the number of abortions will drop drastically, which is the point. It's not that if your country has x legal abortions now then it will have x illegal abortions when it is outlawed. A seriously enforced law will deter people.

Wilburforce again with this non-argument.

We'll see. How many people throughout history have been sure their rules, their laws, their morals, their empires were immutable? That their way of life was permanent? Quite a few, and how many were right?

I view abortion as a positive good for those who are able to choose it. I think the pro-life argument is too idealistic and only creates more human suffering. Pro-lifers also strike me as hypocritical in their tendency to want to force women to complete their pregnancy, while typically holding positions that prevent these state-enforced mothers from receiving the aid needed to support their unwanted child. That said, there is some philosophical argument to be made, and I think it should be debated, but pro-life is simply unrealistic and damaging to society.

Maybe it's true, and we especially men should not speak on this topic.

But i still think abortion especially eugenic one is very morally wrong, because someday chance the kid will have AS, ADHD or any other minor or major disabilities would be sufficient for abortion

No, men should still have an opinion.

It does disappoint me, but society is not altruistic and ADHD and autism abortions are not off the table.

Women have ruined society by rendering men obsolete that it's almost irreversible.

As one with a tendency to black and white thinking, I think it's murder.

The right to life is enshrined in the founding document of my country.

I believe it is the duty of a society to prevent harm to any of its members. There is nothing else a fertilized egg can be other than a human being. Nature may take its course through miscarriage. Humans may decide to prevent fertilization through birth control or abstinence.

But the fertilized egg is a human being, whether "viable" or not. I would rather live in a society that stands up for the defenseless, instead of one that lets the culling continue. I would rather live in a culture of life, and not a culture of death.

Abortion is a culture of death. Next we'll be burning the crippled and terminally ill because it's "compassionate."

That would result in an additional 185000 children born per year in the UK, that are not wanted and many who could not be given the required amount of care. Women would then be forced to travel, as they currently do from Northern Ireland, where it's illegal, to England for the procedure. I can't really see how you can stand up for a system that forces woman to have children which they are not able to care for.

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Arguably more ethical...

Arguable by YOU perhaps, but not able to be argued by the terminated human being. You see, cos your "compassion" would take that decision from them. It would also, by definition, make society less diverse and more intolerant.

People are imperfect. We should not have the right to determine whether another, AUTONOMOUS human being with its own desires and feelings should be able to live because they might have a difficult life. Sure, some people would rue their condition. But others would be grateful to be alive, no matter what their affliction.

Familiarize yourself with history to see what dangerous ground you propose to tread. And if you think it can't happen again, then you have learned nothing from history or from human nature. And, with the technology we have available to us NOW, our descent into darkness and monstrosity would be far worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Kretschmar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4

"Once war broke out...the programme adopted less rigorous standards of assessment and a quicker approval process. It expanded to include older children and adolescents. The conditions covered also expanded and came to include "various borderline or limited impairments in children of different ages, culminating in the killing of those designated as juvenile delinquents."

Exactly
Once in the past humanity already through it, and we all know how it ended

No it wouldn't result in that many extra children. People make this silly argument for drug legalisation too. They say "Well if 1 million people are holding cannabis right now and we actually started to enforce the law against possession of drugs then we'd have to throw 1 million people in jail". No, that's not the case. Throw a few hundred martyrs in prison with lengthy sentences for cannabis possession, make a fuss about it and see how many of those 1 million will continue to hold cannabis. Same logic applies for abortion. Outlaw abortion, throw a few hundred women in jail for child murder through abortion, spread the word and how many women will then try to get an abortion with that knowledge at the back of their minds? How many will risk getting pregnant frivolously in the first place? Far far fewer is the answer.

It's the woman's decision.
There's no more to say, in my opinion - nobody should tell anyone what to do or not with their own body as long as doesn't harm someone else. And a foetus is mot "someone else" until late in the pregnancy - and late abortions are not the common thing.

Also, I was an abortion (five months into the pregnancy) who survived. And I'm okay with that.

Please explain how you came to that conclusion.