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17 Nov 2015, 11:37 am

Does college can expel you for crime not related to academics? I'm live in Poland.

I do not know how it is in your countries, recently did not get a job because the doctor said no, because I had been ill with epilepsy told me it was my fault because I brought a document from a neurologist, about the fact that I do not have epilepsy, it would gave me permission to work.

Today I spoke with my neurologist wrote me that I do not have epilepsy from the age of 12

I told my doctor that I knew that that doctor of occupational medicine grounded me if I knew I would have lied, although the risk for criminal liability, like what the court might do to me I do not have income :mrgreen:

My doctor laughed when he heard this :-) but he asked me whether I am a student of university, I told him yes, and he said that if I had been convicted of anything, perjury, drive drunk, sexual offenses or not paying taxes, then every time court sends information to the University which learns or works, and is the basis for the expulsion of a student or disciplinary dismissal of a professor who has committed a criminal offense or even misdemeanor



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18 Nov 2015, 5:36 am

They could, a university has the right to expel students for criminal behaviour.

However: they are not allowed to do this for just any offence, if you drive drunk once, for example, they shouldn't expel you yet (if you repeat the offence, it becomes a different story)



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19 Nov 2015, 1:40 am

In the USA, a private university can expel a student for almost any reason. Particularly if that reason is mentioned somewhere in a document that the student has signed an agreement to abide by.

At BYU for example, it has been standard practice to expel any student charged with rape. The very same day they are charged, before the trial. Someone will visit the accused in their holding cell to inform them that they have been expelled.

Unless they are on the football team or the basketball team, probably. At least, back in the 90's, some football players were arrested for shoplifting, which would usually get you kicked out of BYU, but the school decided that the sincerity of their apology was good enough for them to keep playing ball and making money for the school.

BYU is a religious school, of course, and students sign an "honor code" that spells out that they can be expelled for things like possession of pornography. Unless they are a good athlete in a money sport. How firmly this sort of thing is enforced varies by who is president of the university.

A complication in the USA (and some other countries, I'm sure) is that anyone can file a civil lawsuit against anyone for any reason. And a judge may find that the expulsion was unwarranted or capricious or violated the civil rights of the student, regardless of any agreement the student may have signed.

Public universities are subject to different rules depending on what government agency controls them. And said government agencies (and the public institutions they operate) can also be sued for any reason.



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26 Dec 2015, 9:12 am

blauSamstag wrote:
In the USA, a private university can expel a student for almost any reason. Particularly if that reason is mentioned somewhere in a document that the student has signed an agreement to abide by.

At BYU for example, it has been standard practice to expel any student charged with rape. The very same day they are charged, before the trial. Someone will visit the accused in their holding cell to inform them that they have been expelled.

Unless they are on the football team or the basketball team, probably. At least, back in the 90's, some football players were arrested for shoplifting, which would usually get you kicked out of BYU, but the school decided that the sincerity of their apology was good enough for them to keep playing ball and making money for the school.

BYU is a religious school, of course, and students sign an "honor code" that spells out that they can be expelled for things like possession of pornography. Unless they are a good athlete in a money sport. How firmly this sort of thing is enforced varies by who is president of the university.

A complication in the USA (and some other countries, I'm sure) is that anyone can file a civil lawsuit against anyone for any reason. And a judge may find that the expulsion was unwarranted or capricious or violated the civil rights of the student, regardless of any agreement the student may have signed.

Public universities are subject to different rules depending on what government agency controls them. And said government agencies (and the public institutions they operate) can also be sued for any reason.



It can expell someone without trial,
How does this apply to the principle of "presumption of innocence", "innocent until proven guilty"



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27 Dec 2015, 4:00 am

Usually colleges can only discipline you for off-campus activity if there is a reasonable link between the poor conduct and the University's mission.


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27 Dec 2015, 2:15 pm

As long as they're getting their money they won't look too hard for a reason to expel.


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27 Dec 2015, 2:34 pm

Raptor wrote:
As long as they're getting their money they won't look too hard for a reason to expel.


In Poland, fees are paid state some 90% of people enrolled at universities in Poland, educated at public universities, and those students look mild contempt for those who are trained in on private schools and universities that supposedly are too stupid to get at a public university.

As for expel or suspensions it my be even good, even if someone is innocent.

After all when someone is in custody and awaiting trial, it would can not attend classes, so probably still would have to repeat the year anyway.



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27 Dec 2015, 3:09 pm

I was born in Rzezow, and I know for a fact that the only prerequisite to attending a university there is a high score on your matura.


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01 Jan 2016, 10:47 pm

They can. All they care about is their reputation.



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02 Jan 2016, 7:16 am

Sjero wrote:
They can. All they care about is their reputation.


So if college expel student for crime, then the court comes to the conclusion that this student is not guilty of the alleged offenses, such a student can then in the civil suit, sue the university for wrongful expulsion, punitive damages and defamation , I will do such thing if such thing happened to me :mrgreen:



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02 Jan 2016, 7:27 am

pawelk1986 wrote:
Sjero wrote:
They can. All they care about is their reputation.


So if college expel student for crime, then the court comes to the conclusion that this student is not guilty of the alleged offenses, such a student can then in the civil suit, sue the university for wrongful expulsion, punitive damages and defamation , I will do such thing if such thing happened to me :mrgreen:


Wrongful expulsion is not a tort offence, and requiring someone or an institution to readmit an expelled student is impossible. I am Polish as well.


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02 Jan 2016, 7:33 am

Deltaville wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
Sjero wrote:
They can. All they care about is their reputation.


So if college expel student for crime, then the court comes to the conclusion that this student is not guilty of the alleged offenses, such a student can then in the civil suit, sue the university for wrongful expulsion, punitive damages and defamation , I will do such thing if such thing happened to me :mrgreen:


Wrongful expulsion is not a tort offence, and requiring someone or an institution to readmit an expelled student is impossible. I am Polish as well.


And in my opinion it should be, why not?

Then the Institutions had to more prudent make administrative actions.



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02 Jan 2016, 7:39 am

pawelk1986 wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
Sjero wrote:
They can. All they care about is their reputation.


So if college expel student for crime, then the court comes to the conclusion that this student is not guilty of the alleged offenses, such a student can then in the civil suit, sue the university for wrongful expulsion, punitive damages and defamation , I will do such thing if such thing happened to me :mrgreen:


Wrongful expulsion is not a tort offence, and requiring someone or an institution to readmit an expelled student is impossible. I am Polish as well.


And in my opinion it should be, why not?

Then the Institutions had to more prudent make administrative actions.


Your opinion is not relevant when it comes to statutory law. Polish civil law enables courts to offer injunctions in civil cases but it has never been tested in matters concerning academia. Canadian jurisprudence has repeatedly held that courts should refrain from overturning academic decisions, and in all likelihood, Polish courts will likely do likewise even if not bound by Canadian case law, or even common law.


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02 Jan 2016, 7:50 am

Deltaville wrote:
Usually colleges can only discipline you for off-campus activity if there is a reasonable link between the poor conduct and the University's mission.


Pretty much true for State funded colleges in the US. Of course, if a student is commiting offences on campus, or the offences are directly harming the University itself, (IE, theft of computers, lab equipment, serious vandalism or desutruction of university property, arson, etc) you will be expelled.


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02 Jan 2016, 8:00 am

Deltaville wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
Sjero wrote:
They can. All they care about is their reputation.


So if college expel student for crime, then the court comes to the conclusion that this student is not guilty of the alleged offenses, such a student can then in the civil suit, sue the university for wrongful expulsion, punitive damages and defamation , I will do such thing if such thing happened to me :mrgreen:


Wrongful expulsion is not a tort offence, and requiring someone or an institution to readmit an expelled student is impossible. I am Polish as well.


And in my opinion it should be, why not?

Then the Institutions had to more prudent make administrative actions.


Your opinion is not relevant when it comes to statutory law. Polish civil law enables courts to offer injunctions in civil cases but it has never been tested in matters concerning academia. Canadian jurisprudence has repeatedly held that courts should refrain from overturning academic decisions, and in all likelihood, Polish courts will likely do likewise even if not bound by Canadian case law, or even common law.


I wrote about this, because I am interested in the law.

I wonder if the courts can not speak in terms of universities, universities that puts it above the law, if the school got a big penalty, funding is the quality of decisions, would be much grater.


I once read an interesting article, which concerned the truth about high school and not a university but in my opinion it is worth reading. It was .about the case of an American teenager who was suspended because he brought a knife to school, which indeed he needed for the maintenance of sports equipment, this kid's parents gave the case to federal court and won :D

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ed ... story.html



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02 Jan 2016, 8:04 am

I have a hard time interpreting your posts. Just write in polish.


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