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The God of the Bible is a enemy to mankind 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
The God of the Bible was made up by men 53%  53%  [ 16 ]
The God of the Bible is a friend to mankind 43%  43%  [ 13 ]
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30 May 2007, 3:32 am

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Boy, the bats are busy tonight...


Wow, amazing, one of the best come backs I've seen in a long time. The word troll comes to mind. If you run out of verse to quote, there is always demeaning the person you can't refute. Bats? Lol, is that in the stoning or burning part? I keep a bat next to the door to run Christen missonarys from my property. Of course one look at the dog and they sort of forget their mission. But what I just wrote has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Next time read the book while sitting in your chair, I mean it looks good and all, but those funny squiggles mean something.

Me Christen? Hardly. But here's the thing, since I was raised in a Christen area, you hardly can escape from the dogma. Burning, stoning, stoning was cheaper, got lots of wood? Then burning is the best. The death penalty, one innocent person is one to many. Do we have the Christens to thank for it getting popular in America and bringing this into the fore front of our judical system? I think probably, although I recall Christ saying something along the lines of let the first man without sin cast the first stone. When the stone whistled through the air, he looked up to see his mom, he saidith "Damn Ma, I hate it when you do that". You'd stone a bat I bet, even if all it was doing was catching the bugs. By the way, they still stone people to death. Religon, a blight, bring back the coliseum, I bet it would top the ratings charts. I wouldn't watch it, but it would hit the top, moral majority like that s**t.

What is so interesting to me, is the books they left out of the Bible and the whys. Politics. Funny how the Book of Mary sounded an awful lot like the Buddha. But that's what you get when you mix pastoral religons with civilized, a freakin mess. Christ didn't screw it up though, he understood it. Just to simple for the rest to see what the hell he was talking about. Too bad he had to get the message across using a god head.

"Actually, Judaism pre-dates all religions. It began with the covenant between God and Abraham around 2,000 BC." Ragtime

Get a freakin clue. I have a culture in my back yard who left some remians, 3500BC ,about the time the pyrimids were being built and the east was in a golden age, the Americas had a huge rebirth as well. So actually you're about as wrong as they come.

Oh they left out the little story of how Adam and Eve populated the world. Care to guess? And yeah it was left out on purpose.


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30 May 2007, 5:19 am

sinsboldly wrote:
"To the angel of the church in Laodicea, write this:
'The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the source of God's creation, says this:
"I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot.
I wish you were either cold or hot.
So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will pwn you out of my mouth."

but not with out chuckling about it. . .


Merle


yes i like that quotation.
Dostoevski's Devils, also in Gangs of New York.



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01 Jun 2007, 1:12 am

Jehova is both made up by men and an enemy to men. :evil:



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01 Jun 2007, 7:47 pm

George_Orwell wrote:
Jehova is both made up by men and an enemy to men. :evil:



Jehova wasn't an enemy to the men that made him up, though. Jehova was their EDGE!


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01 Jun 2007, 10:23 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
George_Orwell wrote:
Jehova is both made up by men and an enemy to men. :evil:



Jehova wasn't an enemy to the men that made him up, though. Jehova was their EDGE!


Merle


Very very true!! ! :twisted:



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02 Jun 2007, 7:12 am

I voted for the middle option, but only because I was considering the God of the New Testament, who seems like an alright sort of chap. The God of the Old Testament is a crotchety old git who demands obedience on pain of violent destruction (see: the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, Passover, or the Flood).

Apparently age mellows him out a bit :)

As for the story of Genesis, the version in the Bible leaves out Lilith, Adam's first wife, who was removed from that role for the cardinal sin of wanting to be on top. Can't have sexually-aggressive women, can we...


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02 Jun 2007, 1:53 pm

Kosmonaut wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
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but, but. . Exodus 22:18 reads, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." where does that get changed in the new testament?


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Not sure why you're even here, sb.


oh! well, Ragtime, it's because I have an account on this forum called Wrong Planet and this thread was posted to that forum. Anyone can post to it if they have an account.
(Actually, you being concerned that I am stimulating your discussion in such a way that you are trying to run me off is so flattering! Thank you! I had no idea (until now) my level headed questions were getting under your ideology!)

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Why don't you go sin boldly or something...


Again, thank you! I would like to introduce you to someone that has had a lot of influence over protestant Christianity. His name is Martin Luther! (no, no, not Martin Luther King, Jr OR Sr, this is the ORIGINAL Martin Luther that challenged the Catholic Church in the 1500's?, he stated :

"Be a sinner and sin boldly, but more strongly have faith and rejoice in Christ."

and that is where my name derives. Sorry that bit of history has escaped your education, however I realize it's not like he was John Knox or John Calvin or anything.

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How about Jesus' words: "Love your enemies, and do good to those who persecute you"? That answers your objection well enough.


wonderful! I am so glad you extend your love to those nasty gay people too!


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That redeemed Christians are no longer under OT law helps too. Why, are you a witch or something? I think I've got a Zippo here somewhere... gimme a sec...


So you believe that only redeemed Christians get to benefit from Christ's coming? Ah, that makes you a Gnostic, the sect that believes along with Judas that there was some 'secret stuff' that Jesus taught only the 'insiders.'

Now, I can see you are bristling with indignation that I mention Judas in connection with your gnostic evangelical faith, however if you do your research, I am sure you will realize that there is historical information that is readily available that will assist you in your exploration of the true religion you embrace. Who knows if it wasn't God that sent me? :wink:

Merle


Boy, the bats are busy tonight...


well im bumping this for obvious reasons


the prideful one refuses to address these points.



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02 Jun 2007, 2:11 pm

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The God of the Bible is.... the only logical answer to where humankind, and the earth, came from.



Up to this day, science has failed to provide a rational answer to explain how life and the earth was created... other than by an intelligent designer. Every popular theory science has ever provided has been proved false eventually... including evolution, natural selection, etc.


Idiot, science grows and changes. Naturally, it evolves. Religion doesnt it was created. Science is 50/50 nature/human invention.

Religion poisons the mind, its like crack.



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02 Jun 2007, 2:49 pm

kt-64 wrote:
ericmc783 wrote:
The God of the Bible is.... the only logical answer to where humankind, and the earth, came from.



Up to this day, science has failed to provide a rational answer to explain how life and the earth was created... other than by an intelligent designer. Every popular theory science has ever provided has been proved false eventually... including evolution, natural selection, etc.


Idiot, science grows and changes. Naturally, it evolves. Religion doesnt it was created. Science is 50/50 nature/human invention.

Religion poisons the mind, its like crack.


Well then, what makes people call people "idiot"? Is that science or religion? Maybe it's just your bad attitude :o . (Which, of course, religion has an explanation for, and science does not.)



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02 Jun 2007, 2:51 pm

I call people idiots, because they act ignorant of the whole of science. It angers me.



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02 Jun 2007, 3:58 pm

Ragtime wrote:
kt-64 wrote:
ericmc783 wrote:
The God of the Bible is.... the only logical answer to where humankind, and the earth, came from.



Up to this day, science has failed to provide a rational answer to explain how life and the earth was created... other than by an intelligent designer. Every popular theory science has ever provided has been proved false eventually... including evolution, natural selection, etc.


Idiot, science grows and changes. Naturally, it evolves. Religion doesnt it was created. Science is 50/50 nature/human invention.

Religion poisons the mind, its like crack.


Well then, what makes people call people "idiot"? Is that science or religion? Maybe it's just your bad attitude :o . (Which, of course, religion has an explanation for, and science does not.)


Psychology is a science and it has explanations for such things. Alas, you are wrong Ragtime.


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02 Jun 2007, 4:01 pm

MrSinister wrote:
I voted for the middle option, but only because I was considering the God of the New Testament, who seems like an alright sort of chap. The God of the Old Testament is a crotchety old git who demands obedience on pain of violent destruction (see: the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, Passover, or the Flood).

Apparently age mellows him out a bit :)


I'm thinking that it was becoming a parent that changed him. I've seen a lot of people change when they have a child.


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02 Jun 2007, 4:11 pm

i would say the closest to proof is that many of the jewish stories and even jesus' stories are taken from older persian and babylonian myths but just adopted to be centered around a jewish main character. which is something that's proven through archeology and historic studies.


maybe there was a hebrew god but the writers didn't trust him so they just stole stories from other myths at the time...but i'm pretty sure the simplest answer is just "they made it up".



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02 Jun 2007, 4:41 pm

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maybe there was a hebrew god but the writers didn't trust him so they just stole stories from other myths at the time...


Like the Romans did with the Greek myths, you mean?


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02 Jun 2007, 6:21 pm

MrSinister wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
maybe there was a hebrew god but the writers didn't trust him so they just stole stories from other myths at the time...


Like the Romans did with the Greek myths, you mean?


yeah!!