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I said numerous times that people are free to express themselves outside these events and to say otherwise is a lie. They don't have a right to riot and be violent however, I have the right to condemn what they are saying and the rhetoric they us as well just as they do.

*sigh* It's like you're tied to the tracks, and the train just kept running over you. You're just NOT getting what I was trying to say. It's like trying to teach my cat algebra--You're not going to get it.

That's ok. Maybe you're just in a different place.

"What qualifies you to determine who can speak their mind & who can't?

When people ask me 'made up' questions, such as yours above, I often just ignore that person because of the petty and illegitimate way the poster has'twisted' things. But, since I believe this was not done deliberately I'll answer this illegitimate question.

I'm a person that knows something about rights in the United States of America...and I know that if I have a private occasion and someone wants to disrupt it then I have a right to show them the door.

But I notice you don't bother to answer the questions I posed. Now why is that? If you're unwilling to answer MY questions I'll ignore yours as well...OK?

Are you saying anyone has a right to enter a PRIVATE meeting for Trump supporters and make their feelings known despite being told not to??? What country are you from???

In THIS country you have a right to make a complete ass of yourself and no one will mind...as long as you don't seek to disrupt the rights of others. People or parties renting a venue have a right to as much privacy as they need....if you enter this PRIVATE venue then your expected to obey the rules whether it's in an auditorium or the Congress of the United States. Don't they teach this in school in the country you're from?

You can speak all you want...but not in my house...I get to decide who speaks there. Comprende?

You say: "Sure, he has the right to free speech & expression"....So what's the problem then?

And then you say: "For most people there is a filter between impulse & action called common sense." And YOU feel you're qualified to tell everyone what that means? I doubt it. Just take care of yourself...that's a big enough job for any of us.

He's just filling in the role of Trump shill here. He's been doing that for months now. I think he knows what you're trying to say but is being purposefully obtuse and trying to flip the argument around. What this does is it causes people who respond to him to get caught up in these back and forth that obfuscate the original point. His tenacity makes him pretty good at that but the fact that he's doing it on behalf of Trump just causes Jacoby look bad. He has defended his racist comments and has even repeated some of them here (i.e. Pocahontas) he ignores the amount violent rhetoric that came from Trump's own mouth at some of his rallies. He labels any negative press of Trump as nonsense or irrelevant while elevating any blemish on Clinton's record as a high crime deserving of imprisonment. And he also will flat out lie about Trump being consistent in his positions. He is being intellectually dishonest and it's really easy to tell.

It's like we're speaking a different language here, you guys are the ones being dishonest. I oppose free speech apparently now? What? How? Say it in explicit terms because I'm really curious. I'm skipping over you point, what exactly is it? What other way am I supposed to interpret these posts?

Also how is calling Elizabeth Warren 'Pocahontas' racist in any way? She is literally 0% Native American, there is no proof whatsoever of her claim of 1/32 ancestry and the only proof she gives are her "high cheek bones". I find it racist on her behalf as a blonde haired pale blue eyed white girl to identify as minority to further her career, I would venture to say that I probably have more Native ancestry than her. Pay for the DNA test and I'll do it!

You miss the point of why that is racist. It doesn't matter what Warren's ancestry is, referring to her using a bad stereotype of a Native American to disparage her is racist. If I were to refer to Rachael Dolezal as "Aunt Jemimah" people would jump on me so fast your head would spin.

Also you have to provide evidence that checking that box on an college admission application 40 years ago actually helped her career. You can't just claim it as fact. I can tell you from experience, from having Native American ancestors myself, that checking that box doesn't really make a difference. Really what you're doing is trying to tie her entire career to one check box. That's just sad.

Again with this blond hair and blue eyes thing. It's actually racist to think you can tell her ancestry by her appearance. My brother who is at least 1\4 Ojibwe has blonde hair and blue eyes. You clearly don't have a full grasp on the concept of racism.

Your concept of racism is a bogus one that prioritizes "microaggressions" over someone fraudulently claiming to be another race, Warren is not Native America and calling her 'Pocahontas' is mocking that fact so to make up so alternate definition where it is meant a pejorative meant at demeaning Native Americans when the only person it is demeaning is the liar Elizabeth Warren. Her ancestry has been researched fairly extensively at this point.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fa ... _blog.html

People like Elizabeth Warren, Rachel Dolezal, and Shaun King deserve to be mocked for their bold faced lies about their race. Can we really be transracial now like transgendered?

Jacoby,

"Mocked for their bold faced lies." Wow that is so fitting of Trump and by extension you for repeating his lies.

Again this was a check on an admissions form from when she was starting college. She is 67 years old now. If you think checking that box when she was probably in her late teens is that bad than I can only imagine how you would see Trump if you were being honest. From his draft dodging alone he should be disqualified.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/d ... ent-120330

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... tly-lying/

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... f-the-time

http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trum ... nk-berrien

Your double standards couldn't be clearer and this just adds credence to the post that set this back and fourth off.

So if she was lying for personal reasons then how can we know she doesn't do the same now? I know you're probably thinking: "ZOUNDS...a politician lie? INCREDIBLE." But is this something YOU would have done???? I would not.

So making fun of her may not be great, but it's nothing like the things our MOST RESPECTFUL DELEGATES throw at each other in speeches and hand-outs every day.

P.S. I do not ascribe anyone else's thoughts to you, please do not ascribe other's thoughts to me.

ZenDen,

For one thing I know most people wouldn't want to be judged on every bad decision they made when they were a teenager for the rest of their life. Also we don't know that she was lying. She said a family member told her she had Native American heritage and she believed them. It's hard to really say she lied. And again, that box hardly makes a difference. It really doesn't matter at all anyway. She has a long and accomplished resume that would put the vast majority of us to shame.

It's ok to make fun of any politician, that's our right. And people have a right to make fun of her in a racist way, but if someone does then they shouldn't be surprised if someone else calls them a racist for it.

Lastly, that post was pretty strictly to Jacoby. I don't believe he's being honest anymore and has become a quasi trollish kind of thing. He doesn't do it all the time but he's been doing it a lot lately. I have not seen you do this.

"For one thing I know most people wouldn't want to be judged on every bad decision they made when they were a teenager for the rest of their life. Also we don't know that she was lying. She said a family member told her she had Native American heritage and she believed them. It's hard to really say she lied. And again, that box hardly makes a difference. It really doesn't matter at all anyway. She has a long and accomplished resume that would put the vast majority of us to shame."

All politicians have a carefully crafted resume, this means little...a little more about this soon. And the term Pocahontas should not have been used, I agree.

"It's ok to make fun of any politician, that's our right. And people have a right to make fun of her in a racist way, but if someone does then they shouldn't be surprised if someone else calls them a racist for it."

I don't think it's OK to make fun of others.... Where were you raised? I don't think it's wise to "make fun" of anyone; that goes for you and for Jacoby. Just because the Republican and Democratic parties play to the basest instincts of the American voter doesn't make it right....could I get a "I agree" here?

Maybe it's because I easily remember when the main strength of the candidates wasn't in seeing how you could smear the other delegates, but in how intelligent and fitting you and your platform were.
Don't fall into the trap of following the examples of these obviously deficient candidates we've been offered. It lowers you to their level.

Lastly, that post was pretty strictly to Jacoby. I don't believe he's being honest anymore and has become a quasi trollish kind of thing. He doesn't do it all the time but he's been doing it a lot lately. I have not seen you do this.[/quote]

I saw you aimed your post at Jacoby. And you say you've become a mind reader and can tell when he's being sincere? And you say "..(he).....has become a quasi trollish kind of thing." Would that be WITH the hair growing from his trollish hump or WITHOUT? Because I see your words, etc. aimed at Jacoby, actually make you look kind of trollish too.

I THINK Jacoby has looked at the two steaming piles the major parties have served up to us, and decided one might hurt our country less than the other. Hoping for the best (as revolting as it may be) is not Un-American or trollish as far as I can tell.
Personally I believe the bumbling liar candidate is less capable of causing harm than the witch and her henchman Bill.....(remember Monica's little black dress with Bill's semen on it (???) and how the pig faced the entire nation on TV to say I did not have sex with that woman???) This is the person the b***h has selected to run the finances of our country (per the witch's statement) while she plays her international terrorism game.

And you said: I have not seen you do this HAH! In your face Jacoby....see how nice "I" am?

But actually I'm trolling all the time; just a different subject. The fact I or Jacoby or yourself post so fervently is because we believe in what we're saying, and it's important to us, and we feel, to our country as well. Since we're not pigs like our current group of candidates, then we can back off and give each other some room....can we agree???