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Is Odin your alfather and homeboy?

Don't know much about him apart from his status as a Nordic deity...

What's he like and what's he offering?

Cant make up my mind which church to go to.

The Heathen church, or the Pagan church.

I see deities as emblematic of ideas, IMHO they do have real power and force just that I'm not quite as sure how many are self-sustained in identity vs. being forces adapted to symbols and human-ish enough likeness for a while before they go back to being whatever incomprehensible thing they were before.

To that extent I have my own Tree of Life filled out something like this (to the best of my rational ability a few years ago - it might be subject to change one of these days but I'm still comfortable with it for now):


1 ) Kether - The Nameless
2 ) Chokmah - Christ Logos (of John 1)
3 ) Binah - Isis/Sophia

Daat - The Virgin of the Chaos, Celestial Mother of Christ

4 ) Chesed - Melchizedek
5 ) Geburah - Maat
6 ) Tiphareth - Yeheshua / Christ Jesus
7 ) Netzach - Hathor
8 ) Hod - Thoth
9 ) Yesod - this one I'm at a toss up between the Holy Spirit and Selene. I should just make it the Holy Hecate or Three Maries and call it a day
10 ) Malkuth - Demeter/Isis of Nature/The 'Mary' of Catholic Virgin sightings

I tend to shy away from paganism.
This is a lot to do with my research into the causes of the second world war.

Hitler and the nazi's were known to be massively influenced by neo-paganism* and occultism that enjoyed a revival during their time. *(not to mention the countries, religions and cultures of where they believed was where their "pure" aryan blood came from).

I have read about other occultist writers of the time who also had an impact, and their belief systems. People such as Crowley, Madame Blavatsky and Von List.

Can't say i am massively impressed with their beliefs or life works nor the fruits of their labours.
Please note i am agnostic and not a religious nut who hates all who do not conform to their chosen religion.

I personally think that any religion that inflicts suffering on others (animal or human) as part of worship is delusional.

Now, watch the satanists on the forum target me (as the purer the victim the more power they delusionally believe they gain from inflicting suffering on their "sacrifice" to satan...lol)...



sad to know that that which partly caused so much pain and suffering in the world continues to flourish and be pushed by those in the entertainment industry. Being into neo-nazism isn't something i think is cool, but that's my personal belief.

That's part of why people are much better off, if they're going to go in that direction, to find a system with a strong moral and ethical core. It's not to say that paganism without it will lead to barbarism, just that without virtue and moral and psychological integrity as it's core goals the resulting ethos is too liquid and pliable to circumstance - including terrible circumstance like a culture whose ready for anything.

Part of the problem also is that when people fish around in their subconscious minds they'll find both angels and demons. Angels in the sense of their most dear aspirations to what their life and the world around them could be, demons in the sense of a lot of the plenitude of animal instincts and repressed antisocial urges people have. if they don't have a structure that incorporates all with the demons subordinate to the angels they can end up in desperate trouble.

Hitler unfortunately had a country ripe for the picking. Twenty years being ground under the Treatise of Versailles, looking for another Kaiser Wilhelm to restore their face and dignity. Hitler promised all of that as well as an end to economic woes. Guys like Himler practiced a form of occultism that was centered around racial supremacy; that's also, as I'm sure you can see just looking at how tribe in politics works in the US even without white sheets and arm bands, of the more demonic side of human character. They sensed that enough of the German people were ready to trade in their morality for success and the rest is history.