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15 Apr 2017, 9:24 am

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neurotypical oppression doesn't have a political leaning.
i don't get the connection.

Some conservatives , such as the Libertarian-type conservative, promote "liberty".


The irony of Libertarians being 'Conservative' is that they're essentially the same thing as Classical 'Liberals'. Sadly, among the conservative establishment, this is freedom-loving bunch is still a relatively small group .


Not quite, classical liberals such as Locke and Rousseau opposed self-destructive behavior as something destructive to natural law and something which violated the rights to life and liberty. In that sense, libertarians stand against the natural law and natural law promoted by classical liberals.



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15 Apr 2017, 9:59 am

My parents were conservative.I was told not to dress a certain way,how I should be dressing,to behave a certain way,who I should associate with,etc...so I became a liberal.


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15 Apr 2017, 11:17 am

yelekam wrote:
Defective Reject wrote:
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neurotypical oppression doesn't have a political leaning.
i don't get the connection.

Some conservatives , such as the Libertarian-type conservative, promote "liberty".


The irony of Libertarians being 'Conservative' is that they're essentially the same thing as Classical 'Liberals'. Sadly, among the conservative establishment, this is freedom-loving bunch is still a relatively small group .


Not quite, classical liberals such as Locke and Rousseau opposed self-destructive behavior as something destructive to natural law and something which violated the rights to life and liberty. In that sense, libertarians stand against the natural law and natural law promoted by classical liberals.


I don't think the verdict is always out on just what constitutes self-destructive behavior. Sure, binge eating, suicide, high stakes gambling, tight rope walking, heroin injecting, squirrel suit diving and random unprotected orgy sex are risky and potentially self-destructive. But many would argue some of the sins prohibitions seek to prevent turn out to be less destructive than the enforcement of prohibitions itself. We know alcohol causes individuals and society more harm than another other drug - http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm - and yet prohibition wasn't the answer. Places that have legalized prostitution have reduced human trafficking, assaults and STDs. In Portugal, decriminalizing hard drugs and applying harm-reduction policies instead of punitive policies has improved the situation.



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15 Apr 2017, 1:54 pm

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Well very inspiring to cut resources from them...resources that can help them become more productive. People are more productive when they have their basic needs met actually. Not having basic needs met just makes people desperate not particularly 'productive'.

Conservatives promote cutting welfare to able-bodied people.

They also like to make sure the money is not going for booze, and drugs.


Last I checked, tax dollars buy the prez booze & drugs.


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15 Apr 2017, 2:07 pm

LNH has zero direct experience with actual poor people, I suspect, and believes what the conservative press writes about them, who also lack direct knowledge (plainly).


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15 Apr 2017, 2:48 pm

As a reply to the Original Poster, I have to say that what you describe as conservatism, a lack of government control and direction, seems to best fall under the label of libertarianism, or perhaps even better, anarchism (in a broad sense, means a doubt of systems that allow some to have power and authority over others).



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15 Apr 2017, 3:48 pm

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I don't understand what being neurotypical has to do with it.

All our lives we are told by neurotypical people that our behavior is wrong.

That is why this site is called "Wrong Planet".


That's certainly one interpretation.

The green alien gives it away.

The green alien represents "difference".

"Difference" from a neurotypical perspective.

"Difference" that gets pointed out to ASD people when NT people tell them, "Your behavior is odd/weird/strange/wrong".

And since our behaviors are odd/weird/strange/wrong, therefore, we are on the wrong planet.


As I said, that's one interpretation.

I prefer to think that it's everyone else that's wrong. My own perspective is the only baseline for "normal" that I have, so deviation from "normal" must be alien.

They should get of my planet and go home!



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15 Apr 2017, 5:32 pm

Uh, saying something like the examples you listed to an Aspie isn't unique to liberals. Or conservatives for that matter. I have no idea what gave you that impression.



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15 Apr 2017, 5:50 pm

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Uh, saying something like the examples you listed to an Aspie isn't unique to liberals. Or conservatives for that matter. I have no idea what gave you that impression.


Agreed. I don't really see the reason someone would make this a partisan issue to be honest.



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15 Apr 2017, 6:28 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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I don't understand what being neurotypical has to do with it.

All our lives we are told by neurotypical people that our behavior is wrong.

That is why this site is called "Wrong Planet".


Whatever. Just another way to discriminate. This place depresses me. Back to my mental health break.....


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15 Apr 2017, 6:33 pm

I'm a left-wing socialist. Unlike SJWs and elements of the alt-right, I believe EVERYONE should be of equal standing regardless of social standing, ability, race, gender, religion or orientation.


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16 Apr 2017, 7:58 am

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As a reply to the Original Poster, I have to say that what you describe as conservatism, a lack of government control and direction, seems to best fall under the label of libertarianism, or perhaps even better, anarchism (in a broad sense, means a doubt of systems that allow some to have power and authority over others).

Yes. However, in the US, those groups are under the "conservative umbrella".

In the US, a "conservative" is someone who likely promotes less taxes, less government, individualism.

For example, Ronald Reagan said "government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem".



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16 Apr 2017, 8:08 am

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Uh, saying something like the examples you listed to an Aspie isn't unique to liberals. Or conservatives for that matter. I have no idea what gave you that impression.

In the US, generally, liberals promote the idea of using government to control people's lives.

While generally, conservatives promote the idea of less taxes, less government, free markets, individualism.



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16 Apr 2017, 9:58 am

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For example, Ronald Reagan said "government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem".


Ironically Reagan's government policies such as mandatory minimum sentences and forfeitures of property for drug offenses ruined millions of lives, especially in the black community. Just look at how the incarceration rate changed under the conservative watches of Nixon and Reagan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#/media/File:U.S._incarceration_rates_1925_onwards.png

Reagan was right, government was the problem but the problem was mostly his government. Don't get fooled by the doublespeak, any politician who wants to increase control over populations through a monopoly on violence is pro-government!



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16 Apr 2017, 6:49 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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Uh, saying something like the examples you listed to an Aspie isn't unique to liberals. Or conservatives for that matter. I have no idea what gave you that impression.

In the US, generally, liberals promote the idea of using government to control people's lives.

While generally, conservatives promote the idea of less taxes, less government, free markets, individualism.


Yeah, I know (although I'd argue the way you put it is a straw man), I'd say I know more about politics than 99+% of the US population. It's just the things you said aren't examples of government intervention. If anything I think people on the spectrum should trend towards liberal policies because liberals are more tolerant and supportive of diversity and minorities, including the disabled and differently-abled. FYI, liberals support government making economic interventions but not interventions into people's personal lives. Conservatives supporting government intervention in personal lives but not the economy. You've got it backwards.



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16 Apr 2017, 7:14 pm

SpreadsheetMaster wrote:
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Uh, saying something like the examples you listed to an Aspie isn't unique to liberals. Or conservatives for that matter. I have no idea what gave you that impression.

In the US, generally, liberals promote the idea of using government to control people's lives.

While generally, conservatives promote the idea of less taxes, less government, free markets, individualism.


Yeah, I know (although I'd argue the way you put it is a straw man), I'd say I know more about politics than 99+% of the US population. It's just the things you said aren't examples of government intervention. If anything I think people on the spectrum should trend towards liberal policies because liberals are more tolerant and supportive of diversity and minorities, including the disabled and differently-abled. FYI, liberals support government making economic interventions but not interventions into people's personal lives. Conservatives supporting government intervention in personal lives but not the economy. You've got it backwards.

In the US, liberals are fond of regulations that control people's behavior.

For example, liberals pass regulations to control people's health care, the banking sector, the gun industry, the auto industry, the oil industry , employment relations ....

Liberals want to control every aspect of your life.

Now conservatives want to eliminate these regulations.

For example, Donald Trump passed an executive order to eliminate two regulations for each new one. Liberals are not happy about losing control though.