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20 Jan 2018, 12:25 pm

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Agree on the weaponizing on misunderstanding.

And I honestly don't think any culture as a larger intellectual construct -in the sense of: a widely shared mythology that determines certain behaviours- will survive AI. And I don't think that's a bad thing per se. It makes me melancholic, a bit, - in the way Fukuyama wrote about art after the end of history. ...there will be a yearning for times in which there was something to fight for...(paraphrased. don't remember the exact wording).

it will be interesting, though, once AI will becomes godlike, micromanaging everything from what I eat and when I exercise to who I'm dating and what books I should be reading....


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20 Jan 2018, 5:07 pm

rvacountrysinger wrote:
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Why don't people seem to care about the frustrations the right or conservatives have about society? Or, why is it unpopular in today's society? I feel frankly very scared about where our society is heading with the modern trend leftward, and have a sense of doom about it even if everyone tells me things aren't as crazy. Even with all his controversies and outlandishness, forcing our current president out of office will not always bode well for society, especially in the more long-term. I get the emotionally sick feeling from it a lot. Our decline is only going to get worse, people don't understand or are just closed-minded. Overall, I will theoretically trade some of the social progress we made in the later 20th and 21st centuries for born and growing up, living in the America and society my parents and grandparents had growing up. The current context of society gets too hostile sometimes and I'm starting to question whether my own existence of living right now is worthwhile.

And even radical feminism and similar ideas on the left are not as unpopular nor hated as traditional conservative or other ideologies more right-leaning.


I believe it largely has to do with the indoctrination that has been going on for the last few decades, particularly in the public school system and beyond. Colleges and Universities used to be, by and large , conservative. In the past 40 years they have been uber left leaning, save some of the more privately funded institutions.

Our country is becoming accepting of many things except being Conservative or Christian. Liberals whine about how Christians are a majority in America, but that doesn't change the underlying elitism pushed by globalists.
Just an example of a recent incident that shows liberal media and their logic, flyers were put up saying "it's okay to be white". Just a simple statement. And the media went into a frenzy calling it "white supremacy" and "hate speech". It's almost as if the left, in particular have become mindless robots. They repeat garbage they are told over and over. Such as climate change, "white privilege" , diversity is strength, etc. And if anyone seems to differ on these views, they are labeled as the wolf at the door. They can't help it. If you repeat a lie often enough, people start to believe it as truth. No one today is looking for truth. Liberals believe truth is "relative". They don't have objective truths.

Liberals in years past used to be reasonable and you could talk to them. Now they will shout in your face and call you "racist" before you can even finish a sentence. It's becoming an example of how mind programming works.


The phrase "it's okay to be white," brings out such frenzied denunciation because it had originated with the King 'o racists, David Duke.


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20 Jan 2018, 10:49 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Why don't people seem to care about the frustrations the right or conservatives have about society? Or, why is it unpopular in today's society? I feel frankly very scared about where our society is heading with the modern trend leftward, and have a sense of doom about it even if everyone tells me things aren't as crazy. Even with all his controversies and outlandishness, forcing our current president out of office will not always bode well for society, especially in the more long-term. I get the emotionally sick feeling from it a lot. Our decline is only going to get worse, people don't understand or are just closed-minded. Overall, I will theoretically trade some of the social progress we made in the later 20th and 21st centuries for born and growing up, living in the America and society my parents and grandparents had growing up. The current context of society gets too hostile sometimes and I'm starting to question whether my own existence of living right now is worthwhile.

And even radical feminism and similar ideas on the left are not as unpopular nor hated as traditional conservative or other ideologies more right-leaning.


I believe it largely has to do with the indoctrination that has been going on for the last few decades, particularly in the public school system and beyond. Colleges and Universities used to be, by and large , conservative. In the past 40 years they have been uber left leaning, save some of the more privately funded institutions.

Our country is becoming accepting of many things except being Conservative or Christian. Liberals whine about how Christians are a majority in America, but that doesn't change the underlying elitism pushed by globalists.
Just an example of a recent incident that shows liberal media and their logic, flyers were put up saying "it's okay to be white". Just a simple statement. And the media went into a frenzy calling it "white supremacy" and "hate speech". It's almost as if the left, in particular have become mindless robots. They repeat garbage they are told over and over. Such as climate change, "white privilege" , diversity is strength, etc. And if anyone seems to differ on these views, they are labeled as the wolf at the door. They can't help it. If you repeat a lie often enough, people start to believe it as truth. No one today is looking for truth. Liberals believe truth is "relative". They don't have objective truths.

Liberals in years past used to be reasonable and you could talk to them. Now they will shout in your face and call you "racist" before you can even finish a sentence. It's becoming an example of how mind programming works.


The phrase "it's okay to be white," brings out such frenzied denunciation because it had originated with the King 'o racists, David Duke.


Just because David Duke says it, doesn't mean we can't claim it back. We can also claim back the first two stanzas of Deutschlandlied.



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20 Jan 2018, 11:06 pm

rvacountrysinger wrote:
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rvacountrysinger wrote:
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Why don't people seem to care about the frustrations the right or conservatives have about society? Or, why is it unpopular in today's society? I feel frankly very scared about where our society is heading with the modern trend leftward, and have a sense of doom about it even if everyone tells me things aren't as crazy. Even with all his controversies and outlandishness, forcing our current president out of office will not always bode well for society, especially in the more long-term. I get the emotionally sick feeling from it a lot. Our decline is only going to get worse, people don't understand or are just closed-minded. Overall, I will theoretically trade some of the social progress we made in the later 20th and 21st centuries for born and growing up, living in the America and society my parents and grandparents had growing up. The current context of society gets too hostile sometimes and I'm starting to question whether my own existence of living right now is worthwhile.

And even radical feminism and similar ideas on the left are not as unpopular nor hated as traditional conservative or other ideologies more right-leaning.


I believe it largely has to do with the indoctrination that has been going on for the last few decades, particularly in the public school system and beyond. Colleges and Universities used to be, by and large , conservative. In the past 40 years they have been uber left leaning, save some of the more privately funded institutions.

Our country is becoming accepting of many things except being Conservative or Christian. Liberals whine about how Christians are a majority in America, but that doesn't change the underlying elitism pushed by globalists.
Just an example of a recent incident that shows liberal media and their logic, flyers were put up saying "it's okay to be white". Just a simple statement. And the media went into a frenzy calling it "white supremacy" and "hate speech". It's almost as if the left, in particular have become mindless robots. They repeat garbage they are told over and over. Such as climate change, "white privilege" , diversity is strength, etc. And if anyone seems to differ on these views, they are labeled as the wolf at the door. They can't help it. If you repeat a lie often enough, people start to believe it as truth. No one today is looking for truth. Liberals believe truth is "relative". They don't have objective truths.

Liberals in years past used to be reasonable and you could talk to them. Now they will shout in your face and call you "racist" before you can even finish a sentence. It's becoming an example of how mind programming works.


The phrase "it's okay to be white," brings out such frenzied denunciation because it had originated with the King 'o racists, David Duke.


Just because David Duke says it, doesn't mean we can't claim it back. We can also claim back the first two stanzas of Deutschlandlied.


Everyone knows it's not only okay to be white, but that it's great. Duke is pushing a bull$hit narrative that whites are a discriminated against group that needs to reassert their rights with that slogan.
I don't need to claim anything from that cracker. I need only denounce him.


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20 Jan 2018, 11:17 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Everyone knows it's not only okay to be white, but that it's great. Duke is pushing a bull$hit narrative that whites are a discriminated against group that needs to reassert their rights with that slogan.
I don't need to claim anything from that cracker. I need only denounce him.


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20 Jan 2018, 11:44 pm

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Everyone knows it's not only okay to be white, but that it's great. Duke is pushing a bull$hit narrative that whites are a discriminated against group that needs to reassert their rights with that slogan.
I don't need to claim anything from that cracker. I need only denounce him.


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I think you know I'm not calling all white southerners crackers, just David Duke.
Why this eagerness to jump to Duke's defense?


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21 Jan 2018, 11:13 am

So if I call a racist black guy a certain racial word, is it okay?

You can’t fight racism, with racism... You automatically loose credibility with your argument.



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21 Jan 2018, 11:23 am

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So if I call a racist black guy a certain racial word, is it okay?

You can’t fight racism, with racism... You automatically loose credibility with your argument.


Isn't Kraichgauer white? I'm pretty sure that makes his use of the word "cracker" okay.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NWordPrivileges


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21 Jan 2018, 11:27 am

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So if I call a racist black guy a certain racial word, is it okay?

You can’t fight racism, with racism... You automatically loose credibility with your argument.


Isn't Kraichgauer white? I'm pretty sure that makes his use of the word "cracker" okay.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NWordPrivileges


Thank you. And yes, I am.
Funny thing about the right is, they'll scream about political correctness run amok when it comes to objecting to whites saying racist things, but as soon as a word like cracker is directed at a white person - even if it's by another white person - they'll stroke out in false outrage.


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21 Jan 2018, 11:30 am

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So if I call a racist black guy a certain racial word, is it okay?

You can’t fight racism, with racism... You automatically loose credibility with your argument.


If you were another black guy, yes.
That indefensible N word carries the weight of history's oppression and hate with it for blacks, whereas it's patently absurd to say that cracker carries the same connotation with whites.


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21 Jan 2018, 11:42 am

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If you were another black guy, yes.
That indefensible N word carries the weight of history's oppression and hate with it for blacks, whereas it's patently absurd to say that cracker carries the same connotation with whites.


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So double standards then, okay got it... See I believe in equal rights, where everyone is equal when it comes to gender or race. Very "progressive" of you...



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21 Jan 2018, 12:40 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
SH90 wrote:
So if I call a racist black guy a certain racial word, is it okay?

You can’t fight racism, with racism... You automatically loose credibility with your argument.


Isn't Kraichgauer white? I'm pretty sure that makes his use of the word "cracker" okay.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NWordPrivileges


Thank you. And yes, I am.
Funny thing about the right is, they'll scream about political correctness run amok when it comes to objecting to whites saying racist things, but as soon as a word like cracker is directed at a white person - even if it's by another white person - they'll stroke out in false outrage.


Yeah, but so what?



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21 Jan 2018, 12:51 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
SH90 wrote:
So if I call a racist black guy a certain racial word, is it okay?

You can’t fight racism, with racism... You automatically loose credibility with your argument.


Isn't Kraichgauer white? I'm pretty sure that makes his use of the word "cracker" okay.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NWordPrivileges


Thank you. And yes, I am.
Funny thing about the right is, they'll scream about political correctness run amok when it comes to objecting to whites saying racist things, but as soon as a word like cracker is directed at a white person - even if it's by another white person - they'll stroke out in false outrage.


Perhaps we all need to stop being so offended by mere words.

There are plenty of forces in this world that actually put human lives in danger after all.


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21 Jan 2018, 4:42 pm

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
SH90 wrote:
So if I call a racist black guy a certain racial word, is it okay?

You can’t fight racism, with racism... You automatically loose credibility with your argument.


Isn't Kraichgauer white? I'm pretty sure that makes his use of the word "cracker" okay.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NWordPrivileges


Thank you. And yes, I am.
Funny thing about the right is, they'll scream about political correctness run amok when it comes to objecting to whites saying racist things, but as soon as a word like cracker is directed at a white person - even if it's by another white person - they'll stroke out in false outrage.


Yeah, but so what?


The "so what" is, it applies to certain people on this thread.


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21 Jan 2018, 4:47 pm

SH90 wrote:
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If you were another black guy, yes.
That indefensible N word carries the weight of history's oppression and hate with it for blacks, whereas it's patently absurd to say that cracker carries the same connotation with whites.


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So double standards then, okay got it... See I believe in equal rights, where everyone is equal when it comes to gender or race. Very "progressive" of you...


I don't go flying off the handle over the word, "cracker." Are you seriously trying to tell me that it has the same affect on you that the N word does on African Americans? And I will be honest: I am suspicious of a white person stroking out over the word cracker.
Besides, I was using the word cracker with David Duke. A waste of working organs like Duke shouldn't be called names?


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21 Jan 2018, 8:58 pm

SH90 wrote:
So double standards then, okay got it... See I believe in equal rights, where everyone is equal when it comes to gender or race. Very "progressive" of you...


Precisely. To be liberal is to support everyone's right to use whatever language they choose. To be a Liberal is to support the idea that free speech is conditional upon the colour of one's skin (or other immutables).